Ua POV, 500-plus Phoenix Ghost drones and five extra HIMARS headed to Ukraine in the latest US package
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SoftEntrepreneur2074
Nutsband_Handi
How many drones has Ukraine lost so far?
What this is gonna turn into is a war of supply.
And america is out coming January next year.
SolIsMyStar
It already us a war of supply and there are indivisual us states that can outproduce all of Russia.
Nutsband_Handi
No there isn’t. Nor anyone who would want to.
The globalist cabal wants this war, and their lackeys here in America.
The people(sans lackeys) want nothing to do with it
beisorott
i am pretty sure Russia is the only one who wants this war, but keep blaming others for your decisions
acox199318
Nope. Most people around the world want Russia to lose this war in the worst possible way.
One_d0nut_1
I don't even know if the people and the voice of america can even stop their leaders' globalist agenda. Those corporations have way too much power and influence. Its the military-industry complex of america we are talking about, the cancer of this world...
NegatorXX
also russia wants this war, since you were too dishonest to say it out loud.
Nutsband_Handi
This war is the last thing Russia ever wanted. They didn’t want to be threatened by a puppet government acting as our proxy to hurt their nation.
The 2014 coup changed everything
acox199318
Yes. They didn’t want it, so they attacked Ukraine without provocation…
Nutsband_Handi
Uh, the mass murder of ethnic Russians for 8 years was Provocation enough. Let alone the threat to Russias security if Ukraine joins nato
acox199318
Nope. NATO is a defensive pact. It only matters if Russia attacks Ukraine.
…has it occurred to you that your government is lying to you?
The Russians you are talking about were moved into Russia by your government as and aggressive move to take the Donbas.
Not unlike Jewish settlements on the Gaza Strip.
Your government is trying to commit genocide.
Nutsband_Handi
Lol no it isn’t. Tell that to Serbia and Libya
NegatorXX
tell me, is russias security better, or worse now?
Nutsband_Handi
It was always going to be bad. That was the point of the coup.
But they’d rather burn Ukraine than see Americans full military might, nukes, stealths, anti air ajd anti missile systems and all, placed right on their southern border, to threaten russia forever.
SaltyChowder
Instead of a 250 mile border with NATO they now have 830 miles of border with NATO.
Nutsband_Handi
So? Go to google maps and look. Then come back to me and say “oh”
NegatorXX
You didnt answer my question.
IS RUSSIA'S SECURITY BETTER, OR WORSE?
You claim russia did this to "protect" itself.
What actually happened, is Russia played all its cards. Shot itself in the foot. Showed its weaknesses. Let us test all our new weapons against them. Embroiled themselves in a years long conflict. Allowed us to flood Ukraine with weaponry. Lost tens of thousands of men, billions of dollars of equipment, and the west has lost nothing. Wasted a cash cow monopoly with all of Europe. Reignited a hatred of Russia in the west, while uniting the west like never before. Destroyed its chances at technological innovation. Gave us an excuse to continue to arm Ukraine and its neighbors. Forced MORE countries to join NATO. Pushed Ukraine closer to the west. The list goes on man; If any there is some master plan to threaten and/or invade Russia, then their invasion of Ukraine is unquestionably playing into the hands of the west.
No rational person could argue that Russia invaded "to protect itself".
Nutsband_Handi
Yes, the evil demons who occupy our establishment and hate us regular Americans did want this.
They knew Russia wouldn’t allow it. They wanted war using Ukraine as a proxy.
It’s evil. Just darkness and evil to plot these nefarious murderous schemes
And Russia did do it to protect itself.
Just as we threatens to end the world over missiles in Cuba to protect ourselves.
Just like if china created a coup in Mexico, then had a Chinese puppet government installed, and then was going to enter a military alliance with that government to set up their military on our southern border, we’d start bombing Mexico with 24 hours as we begin our invasion.
To protect ourselves
NegatorXX
you still didnt answer my question.
You are dodging because you know im right, yet lack the gumption to answer.
You ARE a flat earther, arent you lol?
Remarkable_Ad7161
Much fantasy, much theories. No data. Just to make you aware. Jargons have a standard way of being one sided, making the other side look bad as a whole. These come in words such as - nazi, puppet, evil, etc. Terms used to make one believe a fantasy. Typically reality uses more like democracy, movement, revolution - words that are more vague because the backgrounds are usually far more complicated. Reality has more turmoil, and complexity than a coin, where the other side is always simply a pro- or anti- blah. A coup with about a million people involved across many cities is not usually something that is set up by a party or organizing. They could have voices of anti Russians or far right mixed in.
Remarkable_Ad7161
A puppet government from a coup that is followed by repeated electoral victories of different leaders and lost seats of supporters of the "far right" in those elections? Not sure that's how puppet governments work.
Nutsband_Handi
Lol “electoral victories”
And also half the nation doesn’t even participated bc the president they voted for last time was overthrown in a foreign coup
Remarkable_Ad7161
"Half" (more like 12%, even if you include Crimea) of the nation didn't (rather couldn't) participate (in subsequent elections) because it was in war, and there was no way to get the votes tallied. In spite of all that, there was a attendance, which is very much in the ballpark of standard elections across the world. Somehow there is an assumption that that would have changed the outcome dramatically. And I wasn't even talking about the original elections. The loss of radical party seats in subsequent elections is a fairly strong indicator of Ukrainian people's desires.
NegatorXX
they werent threatened. ukraine wasnt a threat. anyone that thinks these things is easily fooled
Nutsband_Handi
Our government using ukraien to threaten Russias southern border has always been an unacceptable national security threat to Russia.
Our best anti missile systems, our best anti air, our nukes, our stealth bombers and fighters, our full army military might right on their border.
No chance they were going to allow it, ajd we knew that. We wanted this war. We got our puppet in power and that puppet is willing to sacrifice every soul in Ukraine so we can advance our agenda against Russia.
Remember when the soviets were going to set up their missiles in Cuba, we threatened world annihilation with nuclear warfare. It was that unacceptable.
Imagine what we’d do if china backed a coup in Mexico. Then installed a pro china leader. Then was going to enter a military alliance with that new government. Allowing china to put their full military might, nukes and all, right on our southern border.
We’d invade Mexico within 48 hours. No questions even asked. The bombing would start immediately.
NegatorXX
Except, our government isnt doing that.
What fucking delusional fantasy do you live in man? Nobody was going to place that force on Russia's border. What complete nonsense. Tell me, what is stopping us from doing this, RIGHT NOW?
Are you also a flat earther?
Nutsband_Handi
Yes we were. We’d have every right to and planned on it.
And nuclear destruction is stopping us from doing it right now.
Public schooling let you down.
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UDSJ9000
Bold of you to assume the US Oil Barons wouldn't want to keep Russia tied up in a war to justify their high prices.
ChasinCrustacean
These Ghost drones are intended to be lost - after exploding on Russian targets. With that many Ghosts headed to Ukraine, it’s safe to say there are a ton of Russian soldiers currently walking around, eating a meal, joking with their comrades, and completely unaware they will be dead and gone in days or weeks from now, a brutal death from above by a killer drone.
Remarkable_Ad7161
No matter what the outcome is, US wins. They have a lot more orders for HIMARS, F35s, and other weapons from other countries. NATO has almost signed up 2 new major allies. EU is going to have to be far less reliant on Russian gas, so probably increase gas import from the US. Russia is going to have to spend a lot to redevelop its military from its losses on ground and in its lost investments.
Jihad_Jack
So more of these Phoenix Ghosts are headed to Ukraine, yet we’ve not seen a single image of what they look like, what they even are or how they work. Either opsec around these things is absolutely air tight or I’m beginning to think they don’t exist.
3xploit_ [OP]
They're ghosts, you can't see them.
Ok seriously, it's more likely that there isn't much public OSint on them (the US is quite a bit more secretive on these drones for some reason), but in reality they're not much different from the switchblade drones. The Phoenix drone has ~16km range and is a 'kamikaze' similar to the switchblade. Just think of it as a Switchblade rebranded.
Jihad_Jack
So if it’s basically just Switchblade+ I wonder why they’re being so secretive about them.
I hear the US DoD say that these were designed specifically for the war in Ukraine but I can’t really imagine why the high level of security and why we haven’t actually seen any footage of them in use. If the US is sending hundred of them it would imply they are being used quite often, but no footage has surfaced. I would also assume there isn’t any really classified technology in them since suicide drones don’t always explode.
These things are becoming quite the little mystery.
hanyauntukukraine
Thinking outside the box for a little bit, this drone hasn't been battle proven. Everyone was expecting how the switchbalde is going to change the tide of battle, yet when the fiest couple a clips was release it was a bit underwhelming.
Which you know if it performs badly then they wont sale
Remarkable_Ad7161
Worth keeping the mystery. They are very quiet and small, and do hover around for 6+ hours. People help calling them switchblade+, but that's only because both are loitering ammunitions and both are made by companies that work for spec ops. They both are tactical weapons - ie used in not just surveillance. Ukraine could just be using these for surveillance or they are being used in covert ops. My guess is that switchblade gets used in covert ops, and these get used for surveillance instead. I can imagine them being far less prone to jamming, stealthy, and invisible to detection.
user1118833
Phoenix ghost = 10% cut to the big guy
Jihad_Jack
Every day I don’t see a picture of these things or a video of them in action, the more I’m beginning to think this is what’s happening.
Memory_Less
Excellent and so exciting! This is going to be so much fun to watch. Breaking out my best popcorn for this.
Excellent!
It's beautiful the use that the brave Ukrainian defenders have put their drones to in stemming the genocidal attacks of Putler's sad criminal "army."
GuntherOfGunth 4 points · Jul 2022 · Pro BM-30 Smerch, Pro-Palestine
Why do people want to cheer on the deaths of fellow humans and support a industry that only profits off those deaths?
Edit: Such as people who praise HIMARs but forget that it is produced by Lockheed Martin which has been the center of allegations of corruption like bribing officials to get contracts. Every time someone praises HIMARs, a Lockheed Martin board member gets richer.
Jumaai 2 points · Jul 2022
We don't want them dead. We want them at home, with their families, enjoying life, developing themselves and their country. We want them to come over for holidays, to play some video games together online, or see our team play their team in a championship.
And then they cross a line. They must be killed so they don't kill us.
3xploit_ [OP] 0 points · Jul 2022 · Pro Pulsion
none of which would have happened [on such a large scale] if Russia didn't invade Ukraine in the first place