Why does my seeding suck?

I don’t understand the intricacies of torrenting, so forgive me, but I just can’t get anything to seed much at all. Most do nothing, some do a teeny bit. Therefore, my ratio is trash despite leaving them for a week or more a lot of the time. It seems anytime I do get a good ratio on one it’s because it was taking a while to download and seeded during that time, but once it’s finished downloading it doesn’t do anything.

I use NordVPN. From what I could find online, the settings are fine, but I’m no expert. I usually get the largest and highest quality files, so there are inherently less interest in those, but surely something else is going on?

I have an invite to join my first private tracker here soon and want to make sure I can contribute. Thanks in advance!

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Jovan-Ioannis

Your are not port forwarding

FidgetyFeline [OP]

My understanding is Nord doesn’t support this. Surely that doesn’t mean I can’t seed though. It just helps right?

Jovan-Ioannis

As far as I remember you can only seed to people who have open ports.
So yeah you can still seed but not nearly as much.
I chose AirVPN for this reason alone.

[deleted]

It just means you’re not seeding to a fair majority of people. I’d recommend canceling your NordVPN subscription and signing up for ProtonVPN or AirVPN. There are other options, but those two are easy to set up and offer dedicated port forwarding through the VPN.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I just bought two years a month ago. The research I did when switching to Nord seemed to suggest that port forwarding is nice, but if you go with a big and fast VPN like Nord, then it doesn’t make that big of a difference.

Herr-Pyxxel

I just did the very same, signed up to Nord for 2+ years. I liked their service but I had some strange days with browser tabs not loading fast and often timing out, and exactly your problem with very poor seeding. I realised it must be the lack of port forwarding.

I was still within my 30 days so I requested my money back, which they did without hassle. I then took out 2 years with Proton VPN, enabled port forwarding, set it up in qBittorrent (following their brilliant online guide) and suddenly the torrents came alive! It was like day & night.

Nord VPN is by no means bad, but the lack of port forwarding is the main drawback for me. Proton is in my experience very fast in all respects and comes with a suite of other tools that are quite useful (mail, online storage, password safe) plus you can use the VPN on 10 devices (phones, tablets, TV...). They also offer a 30-day money back guarantee so there's no risk in trying it out.

As you can tell I'm quite smitten by it! Another thing it offers is split tunneling which is something I need. Give a few suites a try!

FidgetyFeline [OP]

Proton doesn’t give you a static port though does it? You have to update it in qbit any time proton restarts.

UnseenAssasin10

There's a 3rd party software called Quantum that automatically updates it every time that happens

Herr-Pyxxel

Correct, the port changes every session. You just copy the port number from the proton app and paste it into the field in qBittorrent. It won't change as long as you leave it up and running. Small inconvenience in my book. I don't seed all the time anyway.

[deleted]

I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I get really fast speeds with my AirVPN subscription. NordVPN is just one of those heavily advertised, fancy VPNs that are fine if you’re not in private trackers. If you’re only torrenting from public trackers, then who cares if you’re not seeding. But if you are in private communities, most tracker sites will tell you to use a VPN like Proton, TorGuard, or AirVPN.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I’ll do a trial for airvpn and see how it does. Thanks for your input.

[deleted]

Sounds good. They’re often very cheap too. I first paid for their one-week subscription, and after figuring out how to set up Gluetun on qBittorrent (since I use Docker), it was super easy to use. I’ve been with them for a year and a half now. Let me know how the trial goes, and I’ll help however I can if I have the time.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

So I was looking at air vpn vs proton. Proton definitely wins on the gui and seems likely to be easier to manage. Proton just has dynamic port forwarding, which would be slightly annoying to work with.

I’m curious on air vpns kill switch. Seems they have something called Network Lock. How is your experience with air vpn as a whole? I want to make sure I don’t get flagged again, and would prefer to have a vpn with a good UX.

[deleted]

I don’t use the GUI. I only use docker so the killswitch is gluetun not being able to connect to the vpn and it shuts off the ability for qBittorrent to download anything. If you bound the VPN interface correctly you’ll have zero issues.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I think I have it set up right, but still barely any activity. I’ve attached screenshots. Any ideas?

https://imgur.com/a/A5Ss7Lo

bored-on-the-toilet

Off topic, but since you also have Nord, did you ever have an issue with torrents not downloading. I was able to download a small torrent of about 2GB and now all other torrents that I start (~10 - 20 GB) are stuck at "downloading metadata".

I have it binded to Qbittorrent and ipleak confirms the VPN is active. I've been able to download their test torrent as well as a Linux test torrent but no other torrents.

Have you ever had this issue? If anyone else sees this and has some advice, I'd appreciate it.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

No, everything downloads fine. You’re sure you have plenty of space on the drive you’re downloading to?

bored-on-the-toilet

Yea, there's plenty of space. I think maybe it's a lack of seeders. Today I tried downloading some different torrents and all of those have been consistently downloading.

Unfortunately, the others I mentioned before are still stuck. Maybe I'll get lucky and they'll start up eventually.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I have one that’s at 78% and been going for 8 months, so yeah that happens.

bored-on-the-toilet

Damn! That's crazy. Thanks for the input.

MajorParticular4841

Nord does not. Socks5 is a thing I believe or atleast was but I could not figure it out.

When I got around to setting up my *arr for my private tracker I kept getting hit with a bad ratio warning even though they don’t care about ratio despite the warning.

Led to me switching to proton.

Edit: *arr not area

Ystebad

He has “green earth” so how do you know this? (Also struggling, have AirVPN but get terrible low upload speeds)

Jovan-Ioannis

Almost all of his seeds and peers are 0 followed with (#)

mpbbg

Some private trackes dont care so much about your ratio, and you'll be find provided you have the torrent seeding actively for x days

Own_Shallot7926

Because you aren't actually seeding.

The statuses for finished torrents are uploading (actively seeding), seeding (available for upload) and queued (doing nothing, due to your configuration)

You need to update your config under Setting > BitTorrent and update Maximum Active Uploads and/or Maximum Active Torrents to a higher number. I assume the current is 6.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

It’s 10 for all

Own_Shallot7926

You have four active downloads.

Max Active Torrents is 10.

6 seeds + 4 downloads = 10.

Kouleifeou

Look into doing NZB much better all around.

Burkely31

Honestly, I used to say the exact same thing. And depending on what you want to do, I e. Fill google workspace with PB's of data similar to what I did before they axed my account, then you might be right.

After years of either strictly running nzbs/indexers and even after running both torrents and nzb's my perspective has changed a bit.

For my own personal use case, setup with my servers here at home now versus the alternative via hetzner or any other hosting service, I deploy gluetun connected to ProtonVPN with my torrenting stack connected it and only use private trackers. I personally, couldn't be happier. Throwing in a couple half decent trackers I feel makes the experience 100 times easier and more efficient.

But that's just my opinion anyway...

sadge_luna

Did you open the qbittorrent port?

Without an open port, you can only connect to other clients with an open port. Opening a port allows you to connect to everyone and thus seed to as many people as possible.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

Is this the same as port forwarding? I can’t with Nord, but am going to try with Air VPN.

GarciaPT

Open more upload slots

dstover10

You can use a P2P nord server and it will seed. BUT if you don't have fast speeds, it won't help you. Faster speeds = more seeders connecting to you.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I was using P2P and it wasn’t working for me.

dstover10

Internet speed is your issue then

Burkely31

Are you set up for port forwarding through your VPN.

Burkely31

Disregard my dumb ass comment, seeing as you're shown as "connected" I would assume that's not the issue.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

Nord doesn’t have port forwarding, but I’m using airVPN and seeding is much better with port forwarding, although airVPN is pretty shitty.

Burkely31

Oh, damn you were using Nord? Honestly, I used to struggle with this as well. But then proton really started introducing a ton of servers. I've been with them for ages but only recently started torrenting with them, openvpn with port forwarding works amazing. Fwiw anyway.

FidgetyFeline [OP]

I’m going to give airVPN a longer test drive. I was going to use proton, but for macOS you have to manually configure port forwarding, so maybe I’ll try them once I build my new server.