NatureHike Opalus 3 person vs Marmot Trailfin 3

I'm looking for a backpacking tent for my wife and I, and our two young kids (2&5). I know both are considered heavy for backpacking (Opalus 6.6lbs, Trailfin 6.3lbs), but I'll adjust my pack accordingly. I don't want to have to wait to introduce the kids to backcountry camping until they're old enough for their own tents and packs.

We won't be going far with a 2 year old. Maybe a km or two into the woods max.

The naturehike is much cheaper, and features a massive double door vestibule that I like, which would be good for cooking when the weather gets nasty, ample gear storage, and for just hanging out in when the weather gets crappy. It's got glowing reviews, that specifically mention how well made and durable it is.

The trailfin has a much smaller footprint, but weighs about the same. I know Marmot is a trusted brand and is known to make robust gear for adventurers. It hardly has any vestibule space at all though. Enough to cram a couple of big packs in. It costs almost double after taxes, but I know the quality will be worth the added cost. I can easily string up a tarp or two to accomplish what the naturehike's vestibule offers..

So what would you do? Try your luck with the cheaper but well received tent from the online brand? Or buy once, cry once, and pony up for the Marmot or a similar tent by another respected brand?

Or is there another tent you would recommend in the entry level budget for backpacking with a young family?

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tktg91

I think both are too small already for the whole family.  But the nature hike tunnel tent will be your best option. You’ll need the large vestibule to store 2 packs, 4 pairs of shoes, the jackets. 

I would also cook in there, but I’m from Europe where there are no bears. Would that be wise for you to do in Canada? (I have no idea, when and where you have to be mindfull of bears and smells) 

Response-Cheap [OP]

I know where you're coming from, but even at home, our kids often both wake up and come to our bed in the middle of the night. We end up sleeping in a dog pile on a queen sized bed. If nobody is awake to shoo him out, our 105 lb coonhound hops up there to sleep too. (He won't be joining us in the tent lol). So we're used to close quarters.

It'll be fairweather camping when they're this young though, lol so we won't be doing much in the tent besides sleeping unless a freak storm rolls in..

We already have a big 6 person tent for car camping, I just want to bring them on a short hike into nearby public land, and set up a campsite in the bush once they're more used to car camping and camping out in the yard. Be a good start to get them interested in backpacking early. I just want to have gear that works for a short hike to nearby woods, as well as a big trek into Algonquin park when they're a little older.

bennylarue

That might work today. but at some point very soon, they're going to need more space. Tents generally only fit one fewer camping pad than the description suggests. So, a 3-person tent like that Opalus is really only suitable for 2 people. At 75 inches at its widest point and narrowing to 64 inches at the feet, you'd regret this purchase quickly. The vestibule is great though - I guess you could sleep one person out there in the short term, if you can manage around bugs.

Consider getting two lighter 2-person tents and each of you take a kid. That's going to be the best way to future-proof this. Eventually, they can have a tent to themselves. You can have the doors face each other and put a tarp over that section for hang-out space.

chettyoubetcha

If you’re just doing 1-2km into the woods, why not just buy a cheap car camping tent that comfortably fits 5 people? It’s a 20 min walk with a couple pound tent bag on the shoulder, shouldn’t be an issue.

At only 1-2km I wouldn’t even be looking at backpacking level products. You’re essentially car camping imo.

Response-Cheap [OP]

Yea but the plan is to graduate from these easy treks to longer treks, and eventually portaging in Algonquin with it. I don't want to change gear 10 times. When the kids are too old to sleep with us in this tent, we'll probably get them their own 1p tents, and packs. My wife and I will then probably use this until it's worn out, then upgrade to an ultralight 2P or something.

Just trying to be frugal and plan ahead. We already have a big ol' Woods 6 person for actual car camping. Packed up the thing is bigger than my 75L rucksack.

chettyoubetcha

Ah I see. Being frugal and planning ahead is hard! Have you considered just buying a couple cheap, 2-person tents that are backpacking worthy? At least you can split the weight and that gives you the ability for the kids to share the 2 person later on. Does MEC have anything worthwhile? I’m in the US and have bought a couple of REI tents which worked well for cheap. I’m assuming MEC has something comparative

Response-Cheap [OP]

MEC has lots of good choices. So do Sail, and Bass Pro. I'm just struggling to narrow it down. I almost had my mind made up twice, but I'm still shopping lol.

RaylanGivens29

I have 2 2-person backpacking tents and two boys(3,6)

We split them up and it works great.

I have an old REI quarter dome( awesome tent the half dome is a down grade) and the xmid 2.

For any backpacking 3 person is the max I would do, the tents get so bulky and unwieldy.

Just my 2 cents. I understand not all kids sleep like mine so if that doesn’t work for you, I would go with the Marmot, they are bullet proof.

My buddy likes the Paria Zion and claims it fits 4(young kids and parents). But I’m not sure I agree with him.

Response-Cheap [OP]

That's a good idea too. I'll have to do some more research, and go check out Sail and MEC and see what some of these models look like in person. I was at Sail about a month ago but only did a quick lap around the tent section. I was only there to pick up a carton of CCI Blazer and a box of buckshot on the way home. But they do have some top quality stuff.

bob_lala
steeze206

For sure, especially split between two packs it's a non issue at basically any weight.

I've took my nemo tent that's like 6lb out much further plenty of times before getting an x mid.

TheFunCaterpillar

Naturehike also do a version of the Trailfinn you're looking at. But i agree with others, theyre both too small for camping with kids.

z0hu

Is this EU specific? When I was hiking in Europe most people's tents looked like this but haven't seen many in the US. Tbh I don't have a good solution once I got 2&3 kids. Currently we got 2 light weight 3 person tents (could be 2 persons also) that we put next to each other. Me wife and a kid in one and me and the other kids in the other. Eventually it will be the 3 kids in their own tent, but they are only 2, 4 and 6 right now.

Response-Cheap [OP]

No, I'm from Canada. I like the opalus's tunnel tent design that minmicks higher end European designs from brands like fjallraven etc.

I also like the the modern take on the dome tent with the Marmot Trailfin.

I just can't decide whether I should trust the lesser brand and save some money, or go with the brand known for their rugged dependability.

z0hu

I just realized you put 2 pictures. Ya second is what I'm used to.. First one has a huge footprint to properly stake out. Depending where you hike, a lot of time you have a limited amount of space and the more compact size is handy. First design I saw a lot in Europe where there was a lot of space/grass but seem good for wind/weather especially with no tree protection.

I camped a few times in Canada and some of the times I needed to set up on a wooden square platform(Garibaldi lake, Vancouver Island) which wouldn't work with the first design. Would have been fine the other place I camped.. Banff/Mt Assiniboine.

Edit: photo of what I'm talking about, this was on. Vancouver Island. Went a little nuts with the Paracord stake out lol

https://preview.redd.it/cgp8u16ys53h1.jpeg?width=1070&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16ea67043fd2cad744a7e5d18ec4ce5740891096

Creek0512

Look for the Big Agnes Salt Creek SL3 on sale. You can get it for less than $300 in the US, not sure about Canada though.

Response-Cheap [OP]

I'll have a look at it. Probably $400+ in CAD. There's also a Hubba Hubba 3p tent that I like. I'm not opposed to going for a higher budget tent. Just depends on the specs, and layout, and whether it's a setup that will work better for my needs, or if it's just an upgrade from one high tech material, to a slightly better high tech material, and a more expensive name brand.. I don't want to spend extra, needlessly, but if the perfect tent for what I want to do ends up being more money than anticipated, I'll be alright with that. Not trying to spend a fortune, but I don't want to cheap out either.

Packof6ix

I like #1, having the bigger Vestibule for all your gear is nice. Nightcat has a couple tunnel tents around that $.

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adeadhead

The limelite is such a fucking great line of tents.

Ok_Acanthisitta304

necroing this thread to agree, the limelite is amazing especially with 2 people, the trailfin looks even better.

NikoZGB

I have the Opalus, used it in absolute pouring down mother of storms, used it above 3,000 meters, never had issues with it, besides weight and space needed to set it up. That vestibule is really sweet. Probably too big for longer treks, but that's not what you need angway.

daganfish

I have a tent that is very similar to this one. It's ok, but I won't replace it with one like it when I need a new tent. My husband and I had a similar conversation about the kind of camping we do, and this was the compromise. It only became bearable for me when I upgraded to a cot.

First off, you're not backpacking anytime soon, so just buy a car camping tent. Your kids are still young and require a lot of stuff, so accept that you will be car camping as a family for the foreseeable future. This is about teaching them to enjoy and respect nature, and there's a reason scouting doesn't backpack until kids are much older.

You really really want a tent you can stand up in. When there are inevitable midnight kid-related catastrophe happens, it's really annoying to be hunched over. Plus you can hang stuff like lights well out of reach of exploring hands. My son is 8 and still won't leave the lights alone!

I don't know your kids or their propensity toward accidental or intentional destruction, but my advice would be to err on the side of cheap. Don't spend Marmot money unless you already know that they won't accidentally damage poles, or rip out the mesh, ruin zippers, etc. Buy something cheap. You can always upgrade in a couple of years.

After 5+ times a year with my son for the past few years, I am envious of those 6 or 8 person Coleman tents. No guy lines to trip over, easy setup, standing room, those are all qualities that I would have valued higher if I knew then what I know now.

Response-Cheap [OP]

I won't be backpacking far, no, but we live like 5 minutes from public land that I'm familiar with, and enjoy hiking in. We'll be camping at home to start, and car camping for the first while to get the kids more used to camping, but the idea is to just start with the gear we will be using for hiking, instead of upgrading gear multiple times. We already have an old Woods 6 person tent, but it's not practical for anything outside of car camping. Packed up it's bigger than my 75L rucksack. I'd like to get a packable 3 person tent to slowly introduce them to backwoods camping on the nearby public land. I won't have them portaging in Algonquin just yet. 😉

Subject_Slice_7797

I have tents in both styles. Neither will accommodate you, your partner and two children comfortably.

You also won't be hanging out in the apse of the tunnel tent. It's barely big enough to sit in, and crawl in and out. It may be fine for the kids to be in during a shower, but it gets humid quickly.

I also don't recommend cooking in there, because it's easy to create enough heat to damage the tent, or accumulate a lot of smoke/steam, condensation and worst case, carbon monoxide.

Response-Cheap [OP]

True enough I guess. Although people reviewing the tent did open both vestibule doors for ventilation and sit and cook in the vestibule protected from the rain. And they did have two chairs and two mountain bikes in there. May have just been marketing trickery, but it seemed like the vestibule functioned fine for what I was describing..

Subject_Slice_7797

This is from their own promotional material. The cooking question aside, you can clearly see that there's no way to have any chairs in there you can sit on, nor is it a comfortable space for four people to move around in.

Same for the sleeping area. On the ground it's about as wide as a king bed, but you lose a lot of width because of the rounded walls a few centimetres up. The people sleeping at the edges won't be able to sit up, and generally there's no space to stretch or roll over.

2-3 persons means "sleeps two just fine, and three in a pinch". Like basically everyone tells you, you need a much bigger tent that is better suited for family camping than for hiking activities.

https://preview.redd.it/mk4ynyzry63h1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1258c0ae94bca584b844841afd377b22a74c4266

Response-Cheap [OP]

This is also from their own promotional images. Folded bikes, tiny chair, cookware, pack etc.. Looking at the floor plan, the vestibule is almost the same size as the sleeping area. Could be AI crap though..

Anyways. Doesn't matter. I'll just go to MEC and Sail and go see in person what fits. Lightest tent we can cram into as a family. Then I'll hike my family out deep in crown land and camp out. 🫡

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knitknitpurlpurl

Definitely AI slop. What’s going on with those bikes? Do they have handles? And what’s the name of the gas cylinder?

Jakwiebus

I have something like the first pic. Although getting in and out requires some turning, I like the extra space in front. It is where I put my bag(s), wet gear, shoes,... It's great for rainy days.

With some ingenuity and two (walking)sticks you can have the tent flap open up in front for even more porch. I have cooked in the front. (Edit, this last statement might not fit this particular design. It seems there is only one zipper on the flap)

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Response-Cheap [OP]

That's what a lot of people have been saying. It makes sense. I'll see what my wife thinks of that idea. That way when the kids are older, we would just have to buy one more 2p for one of the kids, and my wife and I could share one.

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Response-Cheap [OP]

Yes I'm just thinking of the future. Would start with me sleeping with my son in one, and my wife sleeping with my daughter in the other. Then when they get older we would buy a 3rd small tent, the kids could each have their own, and my wife and I in the 3rd.

Danzero73

I'm a bit of tent hoarder and own ~10 tents, ranging from heavy car camping behemoths (North Face Kaiju 6-person) to bivy style 1-person ultralights, 2 & 3-person backpacking tents (MSR Elixir, MSR Hubba Hubba, TNF Mountain 25 all-season, etc.) I have been very impressed with the high quality of NatureHike tents. They are essentially made in China copies of known brands, but they are surprisingly well made for the price. For camping with kids, I highly recommend a tent with large vestibule. I'd go for the NatureHike.

ethereality___

I backpack and camp with a Marmot Catalyst 2P and I love it. These both seem too small for four people, but I can speak to the quality of Marmot tents.

I got mine for $60 (normally 200+) on Steep and Cheap. It's an overstock site with a lot of good deals on brand new gear.

tuckyruck

My wife and I use the Naturehike Op3 and like it. Its huge. Its us and our dog.

Some pros and cons:

Pro: size, its the biggest "backpacking" tent we've ever used. We got tired of the super fragile ultralite tents with no room inside. Its nice to be able to sit up inside and have room for our dog and us without feeling cramped.

The vestibule is awesome. Keeps our packs dry.

Seems very sturdy, we have had it set up in winds and on rougher ground because I forgot the footprint and no tears.

Cons: weight, its heavy. Also, unlike a dome tent it has to be staked down. It doesn't free stand. For us, in the west, thats usually not a problem but we did have a set up in the Wasatch-Cache mountains this year that was difficult due to soft ground.

So far we have used in in 20°-60° weather, high winds but no rain (aside from light sprinkling) and minor snow. It has held up well.

We are about to set out on a 6-7 day hike in the bridger wilderness in wyoming and I have confidence it will hold up.

Response-Cheap [OP]

I've heard a lot of stories like this about the naturehike. I think I'm sold. Extra weight be damned. Sounds sturdy and dependable. And +6lbs isn't that heavy. I've been in construction for 20+ years. I'm used to carrying things that are too heavy. We can upgrade to each carrying fancy UL 2p tents down the road when the kids are outgrowing sleeping in it with us.

tuckyruck

Haha, like me then. I prefer heavy and slow. Also construction 20+ years. I intended this to be my "try it and upgrade" tent, but its just so dependable I don't want to upgrade.

If I could make one improvement it would be to make it free standing for when we camp higher up on granite with less soil.

Minor, minor complaint.

acadiennes

I have been researching the Sierra Designs Meteor Storm 4p and will probably bite on it next month. It’s somewhere between 6-7lbs. Seems to be a re-name of an older tent. I’m seeing practically no outside reviews of it, however. Can only be purchased on their website. $250ish.

Ok-Factor-7188

For a second their I thought your kids were Opalus and trailfin.. then I realized there's probably more of a weight difference between a 2 and a 5yo.

For what it's worth I'm happy with my (1person) nature hike tent. It's been holding up well.

With the kids and the likelihood of needing to upgrade in 5-10 years, I don't really see the reason to spring big money now.. I'd rather wait and invest in two two people tents in 5 years. So money would be a big factor.

Afaik marmot is a brand that's common in rentals.. you might be able to trial it from a local store by renting it for a couple of days.. that's what had me set on the marmot limelight for quite some time until I realized I just don't have the cash for it.

ACynicalLamp

I can send you a code for half off a mountain hardwear Aspect 3

Response-Cheap [OP]

I appreciate the offer. If I end up choosing a 3p I may take you up on that. A lot of people are suggesting 2 ultralight 2p tents instead. I'll do a bit more research before I make up my mind. But the aspect 3 looks like a nice tent. 4lbs isnt bad at all for a 3p..

ACynicalLamp

It's 50% off the tents. I just picked that one because you mentioned a 3p backpacking tent.

Response-Cheap [OP]

Awesome! What store is it? I'll have a look tonight.

ACynicalLamp

Just the regular site. www.mountainhardwear.com

assassinsbreed1

If you want to save a couple bucks on the NatureHike, get it on Aliexpress.

1ofbillions

I just bought a MSR Hubba Hubba HD3

Keireirion

Maybe skip the UL tents at this point and buy a pyramid tent. You'll have enough space for 4 persons and gear, still in one tent without feeling to be in squeezed into a dog bed. There are many out there for 4-6 people around 5-8kg. It's definitely heavier but for 1-2 km or even at home it shouldn't be a dealbreaker. You can buy them second hand or sell them later and invest in 2 ultralight tents. UL equipment is getting more common and the second hand market increases with many good products, so it may not break the bank in a couple of years

nathensavior

That extra vestibule space on the Opalus is honestly a game changer with small kids, especially when the weather turns ugly.

Glad_Bunch_3473

Any tent you can find NOT from Amazon.