Women are giving their partners the ‘Illiterate Boyfriend’ test: ‘Do your best to pronounce these words’

Australia and Australians spend time learning to read and spell words with spelling that does not follow basic phonetic rules.

Why? Make the simple phonetic spellings an acceptable and preferred one, and spend intellectual effort on secure housing, health, and a better life.

Want more productivity in education? Make literacy easier to teach.

Women are giving their partners the ‘Illiterate Boyfriend’ test: ‘Do your best to pronounce these words’

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Sideburn_Cookie_Man

Are they though?

Or is it just bullshit rage bait staged viral content slop?

explosiveteddy

Words not pronounced using traditional phonics just become an exposure test - i.e. has this person heard this word. Ironically, reading them in absence of hearing them, will not help someone pronounce them correctly.

Per an example in the article, I have never heard of the word "challah" (a Jewish bread) and thus would have pronounced it with a traditional ch sound (note - the c is actually silent).

Literacy rates may be a genuine concern, but this "trend" test is really assessing exposure, and, at the end of the day, is just content slop.

GwasWhisperer

No the ch is pronounced like in Bach

explosiveteddy

Im going by this video - https://youtu.be/caGERNtE4yg

Seems like a silent c to me.

GwasWhisperer

You need to read the comments on that video

explosiveteddy

From my reading, it appears the word in English is a silent C because English does not use the traditional Hebrew sound. So, both are correct.

GwasWhisperer

That is an incorrect conclusion. English uses lots of phonemes that are generally absent from English words. For example the /zh/ sound in beige and azure, the /ts/ at the beginning of tsunami, and the /nj/ sound in jalepeno.

explosiveteddy

That’s a non sequitur. The fact that English can accommodate phonemes that aren’t native to English does not establish that a particular loanword must retain its foreign pronunciation. The relevant question is how the word is actually established and recognised in English usage and English dictionaries explicitly recognise the /h/ pronunciation of challah alongside /x/. So the existence of /x/ in English does nothing to invalidate the established English /h/ pronunciation.

So in English, both are correct.

athzhir

Tiktok really brings out the worst in humanity...

naaawww

Ridicule your boyfriend test*

tallmantim

If someone uses a word out loud that is mispronounced it’s a sign of literacy.

It means that the person read rather than heard the word and knows its meaning.

I thought that canapés was pronounced “can apes”

OctarineAngie

WTF is this article? This is not about literacy. When you read a book, it usually doesn't tell you how to pronounce the word.

Literacy is about understanding, not pronunciation.

Ok-Outcome-7499

What is this sexist rubbish? Swap the genders and the same journalist runs it as manosphere misogyny

BreenzyENL

Some of the words, fair enough if you haven't heard them before, no judgement.

But I've seen a few videos, and it's like the boyfriend wandered out of a fucking cave.

artsrc [OP]

Is that really a problem?

There are things I don’t know. Does that make me unpleasant to be around.

BreenzyENL

There was some really basic stuff (it's been a few days since I watched it) that they got tripped up on. Like school level words.

dav_oid

Was listening to the TV news a couple of years ago and heard the reader say:
epi-TOME.
I was like: 'epi-TOME'? Took me a few seconds to realise.

Electronic_Half_7107

The problem is that pronunciations change very rapidly over time, so what is phonetic today will not be in 100 years. One of the reasons we can still read Shakespeare from the middle ages, is that due to the invention of the printing press, English spellings haven't changed that much. If you keep "updating" the spellings you risk making historic English unreadable in a very short time and needing translations of books only 100 or 200 years old. This will not help literacy in the long term. Just make reading historic texts more difficult. 

Electronic_Half_7107

Also what is phonetic in one dialect (e.g. Aus English) won't be phonetic in another (e.g. Scottish English) so you will quickly cause the dialects to diverge into distinct languages with incompatible spelling systems.

artsrc [OP]

Those accents consistently pronounce simple spellings, even when they pronounce them differently.

artsrc [OP]

One of the reasons we can read Shakespeare is we are a wealthy, productive society that prints new issues of the text.

If people still want to learn and use archaic spelling there is nothing stopping them.

_RnB_

I'm going to ignore the clickbait trash article about a (adding another "trash" here would be superfluous) TikTok trend, and instead focus on the point of the post:

You are unironically taking an equivalent stand to the one Kevin made in the office:

why waste time say lot word when few word do trick

The growing percentage of people in society unable to pronounce these words (all of which an educated English speaker in the western world should 100% be able to pronounce) is entirely down to decreased prioritisation of properly funding public education.

artsrc [OP]

Of course we should fund education properly, we are still not at the the expert report from Gonski said we needed after 13 years. The root cause of this is inadequate scrutiny of state governments.

But any objective test says the best educated cohort is current 18 year olds.