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Its just sad man. I have alot of the clothes she designed, some of my favorite casual wear. I watched a lot of old goofs and gaffs bullying shitty just a prank youtubers from 15 years ago. The podcast I would watch occasionally but I had always liked their collaborative, long form video shit more. I really feel for her, so much of her identity was wrapped up in supporting that brand and him. She left her country for the dude.

Honestly, for how fucking cucked and weak it was for Ethan to snake Steven for nothing I did not expect this from him.

And for everyone here who finds it funny, Hila is and has been a pretty cool, good, supportive person. She was the best thing about him from when i started watching him in 2011 onwards. She was as much a partner and participant in the creation of the youtube channel as he was. All of his early viral stuff was her filming him and him playing off her reactions. They started broke together. She left home to take a risk on this nobody who was trying, unsuccesfully at the time, to do Youtube.

Their whole early content arc living in Israel would not have been possible without her contributions and support. Their og H3H3m video opening song had them as the only two credited people. As far as I’m concerned, her clothing and art have been a more meaningful contribution to creative content than anything Ethan has done as a shitty podcast host or just in general for years.

Being a fan of Ethan and then Steven later, I had already lost a lot of respect for Ethan after his coverage of the lawsuit stuff. But I always had and will have a soft spot for Hila and, for Ethan’s commitment to her and his family. It is truly unimaginable to me that Ethan would do something to hurt his family like this.

She should take half. Generational fuck up for Ethan.

It was the thing w cenk on tyt where he says english is his second language. Very transparently not a disavowal.

Thank you Kyla! Keep it up.

It looks like they're hidden to me buddy!

Waow gottem. Sorry you can't keep up.

Try looking at the data corroborating my argument. You won't.

Sorry I couldn't hear you over all the SWEEPING for terrorists.

Are you sure you're following? I think you might have some pronoun confusion. I get that you're struggling so let me spell this out for you in words you can understand.

"Hamas themselves publish martyr profiles"

True. They (Hamas) do. They (Hamas) do not report those obituataries to the UN. The UN does not endorse a single Hamas militant casualty. Not a single, being a synonym for zero.

"So now you've flip-flopped from 'they say zero militants' to 'they claim militants'"

No friend, I'm afraid you've lost the thread of the conversation. Who is "they" here? They (Hamas) claims militants in obituaries on its (Hamas) website.They (the UN) say zero militant deaths. Hamas says two things that cannot be true at the same time. I hate to break it to you but your favorite international org relies on data provided from a lying terrorist cult. They also employ members of said terrorist cult on payroll. I can't help it if you're not following, but I can't say I'm surprised as you haven't demonstrated great faculties for numbers or language comprehension.

Do you need me to explain further? Or are we just back to all caps caveman chest thumping chief. At least I'm able to articulate and hold a coherent position that is responsive to adversarial input. Seems like you are out of talking points.

I doubt you will read this because it is longer than a tweet but here is a source referencing Hamas obits: https://middleeastbuka.substack.com/p/pij-commander-deaths-incidents-and

And the underlying data per Hamas militant: https://middle-east-buka.github.io/pij-gaza-war/index.html

This data only captures October 7-21st of 2023. Over 1000 Hamas operatives KIA.

Hey, y'know if you call something a LIE in all caps you must be on to something. I think that actually makes it MORE of a lie.

Or you could consider Hamas' Al Qassem brigades obituaries that they publish on their website. They themselves claim martrys from their militant ranks, complete with photographs and video of the individuals, often "journalists" "Medical personnel" for day jobs. In fatigues with rifles, firing artillery. Hamas reports none of these to the UN. The UN doesn't check and repeats the claim of 72,000 civilians dead, no Hamas militant casualties reported. Thats the lie.

Does it concern you that UNRWA employed Hamas members? As in UN funding a side of the conflict directly? Do you think that is at all unusual? https://www.un.org/unispal/document/unrwa-decision-to-terminate-the-employment-of-70-staff-members/ But their word is gospel. You cite it religiously when it agrees with you.

Your instinctual response is to defend terrorists and their enablers by calling the truth a lie. Isn't that interesting? Is all you have appeal to Hamas health ministry data? You demand the Hague for a single militant death, Hamas themselves publish martyr profiles, but you want a trial. And yet, you call Israel's actions a genocide after repeatedly being incorrect, and downplaying information to the contrary despite no trial, no process other than a rush of propaganda on social media since October 8 before Israel responded at all.

I think you might have drank the kool aid on this one friend.

Huh thats interesting. Do you think that might be a deliberate choice by the people providing the information, Hamas, the UN cites to obfuscate their own role in the conflict and forward their propaganda narrative you are here parroting? Or are we back to the Bill Clinton defenses. "It depends what the definition of Is, is."

Allied strategic bombing and firebombing killed between 305,000 to 600,000 Germans between 1943-45. Forced expulsions and deaths resulted in another estimated 500-600k dead. Total prewar population was 79.8 million in 1939 and was 68 million in 45. They lost roughly 10% of their much larger population. Ratio of military to civilian deaths was 1 for every 2.1. Those soldiers wore uniforms and massed on a front. Goal was annihilation of German State and economy. Germany rebuilt. No one says the allies genocided Germany.

Estimates here are 72,000-85,000 civilian deaths 10-20,000 militant deaths. 2.1 million population. Thats approximately 4% of population. Seems like its possible to rebuild under new, non-terrorist management. Also seems possible that ends are within parameters of means and its not a genocide.

The UN claims no Hamas militant casualties. Just 72,000 civilians. Their source is Hamas. Do you agree with their findings?

Sorry what was the genocide in WWII? Was it the Holocaust or D-Day? Did we genocide the Germans with the firebombings?

You still haven't answered for how many militants Hamas has claimed to be civilians. Because they claim no militants dead. You seem to take their word at face value when they call it a genocide but you won't reckon with the constant, systemic activist structure to lie about numbers. Is lying all the time just cool in a court for evidence? You don't seem to have any thoughts on this issue.

Do you think Israel killed maybe 5 or 10 militants accidentally in their blood thirsty spree to eradicate civilians? Since you so confidently call it a genocide what is your best guess for the ratio? Or does that not matter to you at all despite the complete lack of historical precedent.

I'm not the one who got tired of arguing when things didn't go quite as expected.

Ok, just so I can be as specific as possible so we can't misconstrue or straw man the question. My original question pertained to what Israel should have done on October 8th. Your response was to propose a military operation on the scale of clearing hundreds of miles under Gaza on October 8th in hostile military territory without air support.

The evidence you just cited to support that claim is one video of one section of that tunnel over two years into the war AFTER the bombing campaign. Are you saying that would have been practicably feasible, at the scale necessary to degrade Hamas operations, at the start of the war without resulting in as many or more civilian casualties as there have been? Because that is a wildly different claim.

There is no historical analogy to this because it has never and will never happen. You ever see Black Hawk Down? That is why they don't do that shit.

Well you bit that bullet at least I appreciate the consistency.

So to reiterate, you think 90% of American Jews are self-hating anti-semites because they think Israel should exist? That jews only have themselves to blame and have had a worse impact on "actual jews" than neo-nazis?

Whose brain is soup?

Just curious actually and honestly: what do you think a Zionist is?

It may be a broader spectrum than you might think, there are socialist zionists for instance. Obviously, there are fascists like Netanyahu too but to my mind Zionism is simply the belief that Israel has a right to exist none of the expansionist settlement, religious fascist nonsense.

You're tired because you lost the argument. I asked for one example of a comparable operation in military history. Name just one.

You can't because there isn't and now you're talking about training to "clear structures" like an apartment to draw an analogy to hundreds of miles of a subterranean military complex. That is not a very compelling argument.

Yea you didn't say exactly that. Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman either. Stop playing games and own a position. How many militants do you think Hamas has dishonestly claimed are civilians? Does the answer to that question have any relevance to you as to the justness of the conflict? What is an acceptable ratio to you for civilian casualties where it becomes genocide? Or is all warfare genocide? Or just genocide when its the side we don't like.

"Pretty standard military stuff" is a direct quote lmao. If you can't continue to defend your position that is fine.

Its so funny that you say words and don't expect any push back and then retreat to "I didn't say that" when confronted with it. Are you not used to being disagreed with? You say "straw man" this "straw man" that because that is the tactic you have done for 99% of your comments here spamming unrelated links with condescending, snide remarks with lots of emoji laugh cry face.

Its just deeply unserious, typical crybully behavior. Saying "Free Palestine" "ITs a gENocIDe" is not a free pass to win any argument. The fact that I got under your skin by providing in depth argumentation, most of which was never responded to, is telling. You don't expect or want debate, you want to be praised for your take by the choir of people and totalitarian funded botfarms astroturfing the internet who upvote the virtue signalling and bully anyone who disagrees.

Right, I more meant that alot of Russian, Iranian, and CCP bot farms run wall to wall anti-America and Israeli agitative propaganda on social media so you don't see as much reference to their dictators as bad guys because they think Stalin and Mao were based.

And when you say "you guys" do you include the 90+% of American Jews who believe that Israel should exist? Are they the biggest anti-semites you are referring to? Does that make them self-hating?

"Pretty standard military stuff" lmao. In a fucking tunnel? gimme a break, Whats your branch and rank? Or did you just play COD and are mouthing off?

They are a nation and a state. Do you recognize Israel's existence?

Still no answer to how many war deaths are attributable to militants? Do you believe that Israel has 100% exclusively killed only civilians in this conflict?

Sounds like you just don't like that your argument has been called out as very silly and want to appeal to authority to get your way. Sorry, free market place of ideas buddy. I have receipts for the same things you've said to others in this thread.

How many times are you gonna link the same article without responding? Were the hostages treated well by Hamas do you think?

Do you subscribe to the story that Hamas offered to release the hostages "without conditions" at the beginning of the war? Just trying to nail down your positions here because you are a very slippery fellow.

Can you name one instance where "going after the real bad guys" as you say is anywhere close to analogous to the Gaza tunnel super structure? The fact that the answer is literally never, in the history of warfare, should tell you something.

No insults here chief, just illuminating the incongruancy of your position.

You also never responded to my point about how many Hamas militants you think have been killed.

I'm sorry you feel so insulted when you propose Hamas' exact preferred outcome as what Israel should have done and cry when you get called out for it. What a victim.

How many Hamas terrorists has Israel killed in the conflict? Doesn't sound like you know. Has everyone thats died been innocent civilians at the bloodthirsty hands of Israeli ghouls? Oh wait Hamas refuses to claim a SINGLE death as a militant when they provide stats. Not withstanding no uniforms, operate out of aide sites and safe zones with no regard for their population. But thats all on Israel. Only journalists, cooks and medics in Gaza! No militants to see here folks.

Doesn't that give rise to a shred of self doubt that the statistics are so obviously self-serving in a way that coincides with your talking points perfectly?

Almost like you either have to be extremely bad faith or ignorant to hold the position.

Can you name a SINGLE conflict where "just go after the bad guys" meant going into narrow, dense tunnels, deep inside hostile territory, booby trapped and below civilian infrastructure with no possibility of air support and a commanding officer says "yea fuck it send in the troops"? News Flash, that has never happened in the history of warfare ever. Because that would be fucking stupid. Any honest person could admit that.

It seems like your preferred outcome is for Israel to have done nothing. You just need to embed yourself in a civilian population deeply enough and then you can do whatever war crimes you want without fear of reprisal or consequence! Great cheat code.

Nice pivot. So the answer of what should have happened is when a terrorist org created a booby trapped system of tunnels underneath civilian infrastructure, and says, "come fight us in the tunnels" you say "yea sure!" And if you don't play by their rules and send them into the meat grinder of all meat grinders than you're the bad guy. Got it. Sounds like you just wanted a lot more dead Israeli's.

Gotcha! Your position is "I didn't literally say Hamas based I just refuse to criticize any of their actions unprompted, and then only in the mildest, most lukewarm terms, and exclusively center Israel as the only party to the conflict."

What a fool proof defense you just don't say the magic words and you can hold a position without any accountability to it. Wish you'd just say it with your chest instead of playing these semantic games. Resistance=justified, Zionism=fascism. Any act by the oppressed is infinitely excused because of the power dynamic and everything that Israel says or does is subject to infinite criticism and arm chair quarter backing no matter the justification.

Stop me when I'm getting this wrong.

By that logic the American Confederacy was a victim because they were weaker than the Union and an unrecognized state. Southern citizens suffered because of collective punishment for their way of life. Just happened to be that way of life was slavery and the North was absolutely the moral party to the conflict.

Again, what should Israel's response on October 8th been?