u/BitcoinIsTehFuture

You are attempting to re-write history.

Go read Hijacking Bitcoin again.

It's cited with all references backing what it says. 100% fact.

TL;DR: You sir, are a liar.

Thanks. Touché.

Original comment thread (starting with the last comment): https://old.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/1bvohl5/reimagined_what_if_rbitcoin_had_a_real_defender/kyhmetv/

This is called back-peddling.

It's convenient to pretend a separation existed where your actions were completely aligned with the r/bitcoin moderators, bitcointalk forum moderators and the bitcoin wiki (these were basically the only available discussion platforms at the time).

It was a full, lock-step coordination of silencing opinions that supported scaling.

As the CEO of Blockstream, you were one of the key individuals-- one of the main orchestrators responsible for this underhanded movement. You could have stood up and done what was right, but you didn't do so.

You personally have greatly harmed Bitcoin and its ability to free the world. I don't know how you can sleep at night. You hoped to monetize (with Layer 2 solutions) the manufactured failure of bitcoin's inability to scale. You chose personal greed over the world's good.

And then you have the gall to come on here and pretend you took any effective measures to "speak out" against it, when all of your actions showed otherwise, completely.

I personally consider you to be a disgusting human being.

I'd put money on the fact that u/adam3us and u/theymos are in cahoots (and definitely were back around the time of the BTC, BCH split) and that Adam is just playing "good cop, bad cop" right now. Never trust a 🐍 or you'll get bit.

Sorry that you disagree. You are in the minority on this.

If you can't figure out how to mediate and just ban people then r/btc will turn into R/bitcoin and we as a bitcoin community failed the people again.

My reply (already stated in OP):

For those who would decry "censorship!", I would point out that banning one habitually destructive/toxic individual should not be conflated with the mass censorship of r/bitcoin. It is not the same. Not by many orders of magnitude.

The BCH reddit community has spoken and it is pretty loud and clear: The vast majority does not want GD here. There was a landslide agreement among the wider BCH reddit community about this. As such, I simply enacted their wishes. The resulting calm can already be felt.

Thanks. Unless I missed it (I only skimmed the text), Ver doesn't seem to have directly replied to Adam. Did I miss it? Where is Ver's specific reply to Adam?

The article linked Adam Back’s comment but I didn’t see Roger’s reply to it. Did I miss it?

 Maybe they were the same person

They’re not the same person.

You’re welcome. You guys did a great job of a neutral and unbiased reporting on the situation imo.

I have taken action accordingly.

Following the recent drama surrounding the unbanning of George Donnelly, I furthered my own research regarding his history and I have come to the conclusion that the majority of the community doesn't appreciate having GD around, and that, while he has done constructive things in the past (hence, the ambiguity surrounding his nature), the net result seems to be that he causes more trouble than benefit.

In recent weeks and months, GD has even private messaged me on multiple occasions, seeking to gain my good faith so he could be re-instated. I see now that that is a pattern of behavior, causing trouble and then asking forgiveness. If it was just once or twice, then so be it, but this pattern seems to go back a long way.

Furthermore, and perhaps just as important, GD's numerous instances of flip-flopping back and forth between constructiveness and harmfulness becomes an enormous time drain, collectively for the group. The collective cost of this cannot be understated.

TL;DR: Essentially, the trouble surrounding GD appears to outweigh the benefits.

As such, based on all of the above factors, I would support banning him from the channel-- out of respect of the majority here and based on my own research which does substantiate these concerns.

For those who would decry "censorship!", I would point out that banning one habitually destructive/toxic individual should not be conflated with the mass censorship of r/bitcoin. It is not the same. Not by an order of magnitude.

Individual toxicity has a threshold, and in my opinion, GD, over the course of his history, has exceeded the community's tolerable threshold.

Following the recent drama surrounding the unbanning of George Donnelly, I furthered my own research regarding his history and I have come to the conclusion that the majority of the community doesn't appreciate having GD around, and that, while he has done constructive things in the past (hence, the ambiguity surrounding his nature), the net result seems to be that he causes more trouble than benefit.

In recent weeks and months, GD has even private messaged me on multiple occasions, seeking to gain my good faith so he could be re-instated. I see now that that is a pattern of behavior, causing trouble and then asking forgiveness. If it was just once or twice, then so be it, but this pattern seems to go back a long way.

Furthermore, and perhaps just as important, GD's numerous instances of flip-flopping back and forth between constructiveness and harmfulness becomes an enormous time drain, collectively for the group. The collective cost of this cannot be understated.

TL;DR: Essentially, the trouble surrounding GD appears to outweigh the benefits.

As such, based on all of the above factors, I would support banning him from the channel-- out of respect of the majority here and based on my own research which does substantiate these concerns.

For those who would decry "censorship!", I would point out that banning one habitually destructive/toxic individual should not be conflated with the mass censorship of r/bitcoin. It is not the same. Not by an order of magnitude.

Individual toxicity has a threshold, and in my opinion, GD, over the course of his history, has exceeded the community's tolerable threshold.

Weird. I can view it. Only mods can view it?

I appreciate the supporting comments, u/xGsGt.

It's up to the r/bitcoincash moderators to do what ever they want. I have no authority in the matter.

I see.

r/btc has a working mod log:

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/about/log/

This shows it's possible. I guess it would require u/publicmodlogs to accept your invite.

Sure, but then why does r/btc have a working mod log?

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/about/log/

This shows it's possible.

It seems as if your default method is now to disagree with me, but LovelyDayHere got it right: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/1bmmxwv/future_of_rbtc_the_vision_of_shadow/kwf7yam/

I think by 'ran hot' BitcoinIsTehFuture is referring to the comments made outside of the modmail by althornton2462.

Correct.

You haven't been acting like you hold me in high esteem.

And I get your point. Point made.

Done.

but you misrepresented that althornton wasn't informed about the prior mod decisions

Then I was incorrect and I accept the correction.