u/Comprehensive_Fix544

It seems people are stuck on a 2012 version of Saudi Arabia.
I am an arabic speaker. There is no longer a thing such as tribal hate and fighting in Saudi Arabia anymore. No one below the age of 45 really cares about tribe in 2026 Saudi Arabia. Social media changed them.

There is a take I don’t see a lot but I think it’s so true. What social media did is that it made traditional extremist countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria much better. But turned normal secular countries like the west, Latin America, Secular Muslim Nations and most of asia into degenerate/soulless social shitholes.

For example, I would say that unlike the rest of the arab world, secular Tunisia and Turkey experienced more of a cultural death in the 2020s because of social media which is clear in their extremely crashing birth rate over the past 6 years

What I find funny is that all these People probably think they are different and counterculture when in reality they are the sheep majority now. Which is why you should actually feel precious. I am an 18 year old man same age as you. I live with these same people everyday in University too. So If I met a woman like you I would view her as someone with immense value. So just don’t let their shaming get to you.

I don’t think nature invented tiktok and dating apps….

Damn the best case scenario is this bad ?

Oh yeah… Proven wrong with a tfr of 0.91, one of the lowest on earth.

At such a low level, even the least efficient solutions could somehow increase the tfr

Lab babies is a crime. These are going to all grow up to be suicidal and dysfunctional. They won’t really contribute to society, it’s a net negative.

Bros will be saying "most people aren’t aware of this and fall to their instincts" (aka: I am different) and then be living in a country with a fertility rate of 1.1 or some shi 🥀😭🙏

What social media does to a nation

Social media. Almost every country saw extreme birth rate collapse ether after 2016 with social media or after 2020 with short form content/long term existence of social media

The 1.19 actually does account for that. However for Azerbaijan the number of women in childbearing age is actually slightly increasing. Therefore the drop is actually worse at around -12% which gives us the 1.19 figure.

This is United Nations data so I don’t care

The lowest in the world is actually Macau at 0.44.

The 2.12 isn’t a UN number tho. The UN says higher

Ok so I went to andyd and searched south africa and there isn’t a single post saying the tfr is 1.70.

It says 2.21 for 2025 and 2.12 for 2026.

Would be cool if you could find me this fictional post

I follow official sources on X and it says 2.12. Maybe the number you are saying is white fertility rate and you forgot ?

Saying simply that something isn’t correct is the response of a 5 year old. You need to give proof to support your claim

It’s not an estimate. The outdated UN estimate is 2.3 and birth registrations is 2.12

That’s genuinely how simple most people’s demands are around the world. We just want a normal sane society and a normal economy where you can have kids and be comfortably middle class. Instead we get jumping cars, Tiktok and AI. The priority list for most governments today is literally upside down

South Africa is 2.12 where is this 1.70 number from ?

I said lowest country in Europe and korea is higher anyways

The first Gen Alpha was born on 1 Jan 2012. 18 years from that time would be 1 Jan 2030.
1 Jan 2030 is currently only 3 years and 2 months away

Data from 2-3 months ago in 2026 estimated 1.21-1.23 in 2026. August makes the estimate drop further to 1.19

Someone born in 1 Jan 2013 becomes an adult in 4 years and 2 months. So even with that it’s 4.