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Olde Stonewall would have been awesome. Even getting food at the castle is so much more interesting than Nemacolin. Nobody is playing that course anyway since it’s like a $1000 stay.
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LOL had to do a double take. Shot the same score yesterday.
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Yep. Played it for the first time a few weeks back. Snagged an afternoon time for $90. Weather was looking iffy but it ended up not raining only disgustingly humid but we had the whole course to ourselves. Incredibly beautiful property that makes you feel like you are playing the Augusta for poor people. 16 is such a surreal golf hole. Looking forward to planning a trip down there again in the future because there is so much underrated golf and even history to check out down there!
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To be fair, Algorism is going to be the next syncopation after this tour. I went to a couple shows this tour and didn't get to see Algorism so I probably missed any shot I had of ever seeing it. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
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Agreed. Unless they post something publicly we will never know, but I doubt they ran the tour at a significant loss. Either way, the contract isn’t always just sell all the seats or die so I really just don’t think it’s up for us to worry about. They definitely had more turnout than last year as well!
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Depends on their contract. I am sure live nation likely cut them a deal to extent to use them because otherwise these venues just sit there with no use. I also doubt they looked at a down year with no new album and barely “selling out” an arena in one of the most populous locations in the US and said let’s do this everywhere. Sure they could sellout 6k venues everywhere, but it’s probably more profitable to sell the extra couple thousand tickets. Either way it doesn’t matter much to us and I wouldn’t worry about it. The shows I went to look filled at least on the indoor side.
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I just don't think this is a good ideology for a setlist, because no matter what people will be disappointed so why not try to throw the fans who go to multiple tours a bone so you don't just cater to the new fan. You are constantly creating new and dedicated fans who didn't get to see previous tours. Why do they get shafted because you are trying to please a casual fan who might go to one show? The people who are buying your merch are the people who go to multiple shows and pay attention to every merch drop.
I was pretty happy with what they had with the setlist this time and I felt it was much better than 2024 to 2025.. 2 Deep cuts, Monochrome (not always played) and then multiple new album songs that also weren't played on the regular tours. Sure I already saw those songs because of LA, but they are still new and fresh so ultimately most people saw 5 new songs this tour which is awesome.
Even still I have attended 7 shows across 4 different headliner "tours" (counting the special LA show as a separate tour) and they have played 6 songs at every show. That is insane and I do think they could make 2 of those songs rotate while the other 4 are locks (GC, BMD, RTTT, RoR or HB). This idea that you need to please a casual fan that goes to one show doesn't make any sense to me and they aren't going to stop listening to spotify just because they didn't play gimme chocolate live once meanwhile reward people for going to each new tour cycle.
TL;DR: I don't think you need to rotate setlists significantly every show, but I do think there should be a larger shakeup in between tours.
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I actually think this setlist was pretty solid. 2 very deep cuts. Its a shame Algorism is mostly in jail and WF will likely never see the light of day outside of Japan. I think a good majority of these songs will swap out next tour for an album anyway.
FM2U, My Queen/Sunset, Song 3 and Kawaii are songs that are going to have to be removed from the setlist for any new album songs.
Megitsune, Synco, Iine will likely be removed for either a deep cut or more new songs.
Metali is in a weird spot. Its a very popular live song and I just don't see them replacing it with anything. YAVA is the only one and I think its just too niche at this point for them to consider.
I think its time to have discussions about either swapping out Headbanger or RoR and I am leaning more towards RoR. I really wish they would have given White Flame a shot or at least try to sneak in IDZ here or there.
BMD is also changeable but I think its sort of the tradition now and swapping the intro makes more sense for bigger shows.
I think the best solution for the hardcore fans is to have some shows around the world that have a dedicated deep cut setlist. Bands do this all the time where they play all of a single album and label it that.
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I’m kind of convinced at this point they won’t play WF until the dvd releases lol.
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Yep. I think that’s likely true of a lot of these locations
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I think people are making a bigger deal out of these empty seats than it probably is. BM is at an awkward stage in the US where they can easily sell out the 5k-6k venues but can’t fill the massive arenas and stadiums in all these locations. I think this is more of a grab as many people as you can rather than trying to maximize their floor space.
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PPY cut for two deep cuts. We used to pray for these times.
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Based on Kufstein and the Australian tour, 14 songs is likely to be the new norm (1:20-1:30 set).
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If you want to be optimistic probably something like this. If you are on the more glass half empty, Algo or DDM doesn't get played and something else thats overplayed like a distortion takes its place. Kon Kon probably gets swapped out for sunset kiss.
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It’s not really a matter of like or dislike to me as I pretty much love 99% of their tracks which is why I have a problem with those songs. Those three in particular are played all the time. I went to two separate tours and 10 of the 13 songs were exactly the same lol.
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I agree. Every band has that song and BM’s is GC. Although RTTT is close and honestly is about to surpass GC in Spotify plays, but it would be a little weird a bands flagship song is a collab. Papaya and RoR should be the ones on the chopping block with Metali close behind if they look to change the setlist.
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I haven’t played the other two yet but Potomac Shores was awesome. This picture doesn’t do the elevation on this hole justice.
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Everyone is going to have their own opinions on what should and shouldn’t be on the setlist but White Flame being played twice and Algorism a handful amount of times should be a war crime. It’s bad when they can’t even remove staples to play new album songs.
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Yep one of my top metal bands. Awesome to see the popularity expanding but not for my wallet lol.
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Nice! Love the BABYMETAL shirt!
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No problem. It’s just across the Maryland line, but 40 minutes south of Pilgrims is Bulle Rock. Pete dye course that’s crazy good as well if you happen to be out that way.
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Such a steal for an incredibly fun and scenic course.
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Iron Valley Golf Club - Lebanon, PA
Pilgrims Oak - Peach Bottom, PA
The Links at Gettysburg - Gettysburg, PA
I know we said favorite but I feel like PA isn’t as discussed in these type of threads and these are all good bang for your buck courses.
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100%. These venues are massive increases in cap in cities with smaller populations. They didn’t sellout the venues last year in smaller sized venues. It doesn’t really make a lot of sense. I don’t know the logistics on selling outdoor pavilions vs indoor venues, but I would guess that the outdoor venues are cheaper, otherwise this seems like a massive oversight.
Ironically if they just did what the were planning originally I think the PA people would have appreciated it more. The pro shop and restaurant at Olde Stonewall is in a literal castle. They pretty much had a banger video on lock. Not to mention that the course has some crazy elevation and a fun layout. Not to mention Olde Stonewall was hosting them.....
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