u/WaterPrivacy

It's the algorithms and infinite feeds. If we get rid of those, we can win back a lot.

And control AI, of course.

No, sorry honey 

Calm down

I guess he made it this way cuz in a way it’s necessary you could apply the same thing to animals why do they have to suffer cuz of other animals as well?

Yes. Incredibly good point. I absolutely could apply the same thing to animals. Why do they have to suffer as well? Is god just trying to maximise the suffering of this planet as much as possible?

Cuz they gotta eat

Plants can eat without killing or hurting anything. Why not make animals the same?

and keep circle of life in check and keep biomes in check same thing with diseases that controls populations.

Oh so god is just stupid then I guess? With his infinite power and knowledge he couldn't come up with anything else to control populations that isn't physically crippling individuals into extreme pain until they stop existing?

You either worship an idiot or a psychopath and I don't know which is worse.

If there was no suffering, no bad moments, no loss, no fear, everything’s just a paradise then there would be no growth no overcoming of hardship

So, heaven? It would be heaven. And you're saying that's bad?

Care to unpack that or should I?

impact of happiness and what it means to make others happy. 

Everyone in heaven is actually miserable then.

Removing Sin is taking away choice and that means no free will

No it doesn't. We could still have free will to do good things or not. Why do bad things need to exist? They don't.

sure in perfect utopia there wouldn’t be any concept of even killing a person but would that apply to animals

Yes, it should. Animals shouldn't need to suffer either. Life doesn't need murder pain and suffering to exist. And plants are proof of that.

Cuz in ur utopia u would change how physics work so how would you go about eating if u can’t kill or would u remove hunger completely? 

Why do I need to eat other life forms? Dirt, water, air and sunlight is all that's needed, and that doesn't even require changing the current laws of physics. You're telling me that god who could make physics however he wants, couldn't come up with any version of life that didn't involve suffering and murder?

Again, idiot or psychopath, you choose.

Also, again, heaven. Do we need to eat there, or do we just starve to death? To death? We can't die in heaven, right? Do we just starve into eternal pain? That's hell, isn't it? Or is hunger not a thing there? Do we not need to eat in heaven? So why on earth? Clearly god is either perfectly capable of making an actual utopia, or the reward he's claiming is actually a punishment.

Ur talking about things that aren’t reality using a sharp knife on someone hurts them that’s just physics

No. That's biology. It hurts because we have pain receptors and a brain capablenof processing that singal into the experience of suffering, and it's deadly because we have no way of regenerating that wound.

Other animals absolutely can regenerate in that way though. So what's up?

And plants don't have pain receptors. Even if they're damaged they don't actually experience suffering like we do. So, again, what's up?

Also, heaven again. Stab or no stab, how does that work there?

Removing things from our lives like eating completely changes other parts of our existence and balance to the world and populations of animals, plant, trees etc. sure you can change all that in ur utopia but then living seems kinda meaningless if it’s all just perfect. 

So heaven is meaningless.

I don’t understand how God knowing the outcome of ur life means u have no free will

Because it means I don't actually have a choice. If a definite future exists that can be seen and will happen, that means I don't actually have any power in the present to change my future. I'm just locked in to the narrative. Whatever good or bad thing god has seen in my future is bound to happen regardless of what I choose. I'm just along for the ride, my free will isn't real it's just an illusion while I play out the story written for me.

I think someone that’s knowledgeable in subject can answer better but God made this planet the way it is because God knows the best way to do it, we don’t know the outcome of other ways of doing things Id assume someone that believes would say something like this

Yeah, they probably would say something like that. A non answer that avoids the question entirely lmao

He knows all that can be known at any given time

And what does that mean exactly? Can you define what exactly is all that can be known at any given time? Because this is a nothing answer.

But you cannot know something that does not yet exist. Like I said, He may know all possibilities, and even be able to infer what we are likely to choose, but we have free will

Ok so God is just a guy with an opinion then. Doesn't seem like a very reliable person to structure your whole religion around when he has no clue what's going to happen anymore than anyone else. I mean, I could be better at predicting the future than god could if this is true. Maybe you should workship me.

The knowledge of what we will choose simply does not exist until we make that choice

Hmm. Ok but why not? Can't god just make it exist? I mean, he would benefit a lot from actually making sure he knew what was going to happen before it does. Would probs save a lot of headaches. So, is god just incapable of that? It's starting to sound like aside from not being all knowing, he's also not all powerful.

Also this is literally the opposite of what you just said. You just said that God can see possible futures. So that knowledge absolutely does exist already. God just has no fucking clue which one is true. Which, why not? If it exists it exists. 

God still knows all

Clearly not. By your own admission.

The knowledge of what we will choose simply just doesn’t exist until we make that choice

But you just said it does. So.

And the moment we make that choice, God knows we have made it.

Yeah, me too bitch it's called having eyes. I also know that people make choices when they make them. 

Again it seems like you should be worshipping me instead. I accept religious contributions in cash and card.

If I told you that I'm going to kill you, would you suffer more or less than if I told an unborn baby?

i can kinda understand it if it was to asked for reason of protection of those women

I don't. If you need protection put more security, and if the women are hurt call the police, or don't even allow these people in the first place. How the fuck are you going to tell me that I should leave in my own home for my own protection from visitors? Fuck no. If those people can't handle seeing a french woman being a french woman, they can stay home, and if they try anything they can face the full force of our laws. Nobody in our union should ever have to compromise our freedom for the sake of backwards outsiders. That is our most fundamental value, and anyone who disagrees can go fuck themselves.

Just like you support the pollution of the planet whenever you buy all the vegetables in your plate which had to be exported from the other side of the world?

Or how you support AI and billionaires by using social media sites such as this one.

Use youtube? Streaming services? Google? The internet at all? Data centers are your fault and you're a broken insane person, obviously.

You support poverty wages and exploitation whenever you buy coffee or chocolate. You support plastic production and waste whenever you buy bottled water.

What kind of furniture do you buy? The cheap ones? How dare you contrbuite to the amount of landfill waste that could have been avoided if you just bought high quality stuff. Oh, you buy the expensive furniture? How dare you contribute to the illegal logging and destruction of highly biodiverse old growth forests.

You better not use vehicles at all, otherwise you're a monster who is poisoning the planet with emissions. You can always choose to walk no matter how long it takes because otherwise you're actively choosing to kill.

Have any electronics? Child labour and toxic waste. You should be banned from society forever.

You better not travel by plane to other countries ever. Unnecessary pollution just for your own pleasure.

If your clothes are synthetic you're a psychopath who is poisoning us all with microplastics and you clearly need help. If your clothes are cotton you're a psychopath who is enslaving people and supporting terrible working conditions and you clearly need help. I don't think you even want to talk about the other ones. Wool? Psychopath. Leather? You're a murderer obviously.

You have a choice in all these things just like you have when it comes to eating meat, and you choose not to do anything about it because it's all too inconvenient for you. You cause pain and damage with all the things you choose to do and buy, and yet you're here calling others delusional because they eat meat? How many people have suffered for your luxuries? How many ecosystems have been strained from your pollution? You're a hypocrite.

I didn't choose for the meat industry to be this way just like how I didn't choose for society to be this way in any way. If it were up to me, meat production, and all production would be much more humane and sustainable and safe for the ecosystem. But I'm not going to stop living the short life I have just because I was born before these issues were fixed. And clearly, neither are you. So get off your high horse because unless you become a naked hermit who sleeps in a cave and lives off fallen berries, or unless you end your own life, you're in no position to be telling anyone in society that they're delusional or cognitively dissonant for the values they hold and the life they live.

People have much more important priorities and problems in their life that take precedent over worrying about weather the things they need are ethically sourced or not, or over spending time trying to learn how they could restructure their whole lives around a problem that can only be systematically fixed, just so they can hypocritically virtue signal on the internet.

Just because I don't do the same things as you doesn't mean you get to treat me like a monster. And it doesn't mean I have no impact. Eating meat is not the only harmful act. I prioitrise what I consider important, and if you want to have a dick measuring contest about it I promise you mine is bigger than yours.

When was the last time you ate produce that you actually grew instead of having it imported from elsewhere? For me it was a few hours ago. When was the last time you used your car? I've never even owned one. I have multiple solar panels in my house and they contribute to most of my energy usage. Do you even have a single one?

Yeah, I eat meat sometimes, but even with the harm it does to them and the effects it has on the environment I would bet my life that I still have less of an overall harmful impact on the life of this planet than you do. And at least part of that only involves hurting creatures that were bred for that purpose. All of yours goes towards destroying the vital ecosystems that hold the planet together. That makes you more of a murderer than me. So simmer down and think on that next time you're chewing on an imported banana. I'll never have to though, because they grow in my back yard.

Remember when we used to brutally kill Nazis on sight?

Thanks mods I didn't want people to see my post or anything super cool

Oh shut the fuck up. How fucking dare you disrespect the victims of conversion therapy like that. You're not a fucking victim just because I'm calling out your bigotry. You not wanting to date bi guys isn't biological, and people calling it out as the prejudice it is isn't them trying to convert you. No one should ever have to apologize for not being attracted to someone, but that's not your fucking problem because by your own admission you'd be perfectly fine hooking up with a bi guy. You're attracted to them just like any other guy, because being bi doesn't affect someone's attraction to them if they're sexually attracted to their sex. You'r problem is bigotry. You don't want to date them because of some prejudice I don't know and you won't admit. You're not a victim, and you'd do well to shut your trap and reflect on what is wrong inside you.

Because by definition it is breaking the contract of marriage

No. What in that contract is broken? Because I don't know where the fuck you live, but in the developed world a marriage contract does not create a legal obligation of sexual exclusivity. In what backwards ass country would it be a breach of contract for a couple to engage in a sexual activity they both consented to and participated in together? What, do both parties get to seek legal damages towards eachother for what they did with eachother together? LMAO

Even if this was a breach of contract that's clearly ludicrous. There's clearly nothing wrong about a couple having a threesome with someone outside their marriage and in no way should that be a crime or something that breaks their marriage contract in any way. Why would it be? That's ridiculous.

deeply damages the other person, both mentally and financially

Please tell me how a couple having a threesome is going to deeply damage any of the parties involved to the point you think doing so should be a crime. Are you capable of that? Giving a full fucking explanation of what you think and why without me having to continuously ask you to elaborate?

This is ridiculous! This was not a big deal.

To you.

How would you people feel if you had people come to your house for the weekend and they did whatever the hell they wanted to do when they wanted to do it wherever they wanted to do it not paying any attention to your rules, what would you do? Sit with that. 

That's not what's going on here though lmao. This was just an adult couple who live together and sleep together and was invited together to sleep elsewhere, who expected that they would obviously be able to sleep together. This wasn't them "doing whatever the hell they wanted". And at no point did they break the rules imposed no matter how much they didn't like them.

How do you know the mother went right to sleep? 

OP said so.

I’m sure the mother stood there and let the OP speak to her. 

Oh damn really? You know what happened better than the person who was there? How does that work?

OP could’ve immediately said wait we’re gonna leave because you know he didn’t want to sleep on the couch. I don’t wanna sleep by myself.

You do understand that people need more than half a second to process things, and couples need more than half a second to communicate with each other and decide what they're going to do, right?

If this couple is so fragile that they cannot act with common courtesy and just roll with the punches

Common courtesy is for a host to let an adult couple who lives together and was invited together by themselves, to sleep together.

Common courtesy is not for a guest to just let a host treat them however they please. What kind of psycho thinks that?

I mean, would it really have killed them to stay there

No, they were just really uncomfortable with it. So they didn't stay there. I don't think this is hard to understand.

I don’t know what’s going to happen to them when they have really big life issues? What’s going to happen is the guys gone for a week for a work trip or if she is on a work trip? what she going to do then? What are they going to do when something bad happens how they going to handle that if this just throws them off so much.

Does it matter? Hypotheticals don't mean anything about what's happening now. They had an issue now, so they solved it now in they way they felt was right. Whatever happens in the future they'll confront it if and when it comes, like any couple does.

I’ve said my point of view everybody’s attacked me for having my own views and beliefs

Well, uh, yeah. For obvious reasons. Why are you saying it like being attacked your having your own beliefs is an incomprehensible thing? Are you one of those people who somehow thinks that having a "belief" suddenly makes it invulnerable to any critique? Like those people who say you should respect all religions regardless of how horrible they are because "oh it's their belief!"?

I’m not going to change my mind and these people coming for me don’t have minds. 

I wish I could frame this. Such a perfect summary reminding everyone that there's people out there who will genuinely never change their minds no matter how wrong they are and will then personally insult those who put their beliefs into question.

Have a day.

sideloading

Do you mean installing software on my personal computer? I think that's what you meant.

its a hacked version of the app that gives you features they explicitly sell in premium for free. It's the least ethical use

What's unethical is the purposeful enshittification of apps and services to try and force people to pay for an experience they used to have. I see nothing unethical in fighting that as a user of the service.

Also, do you know why ReVanced exists? Why it's allowed to exist? It's not because Google and YouTube politely ignore it. It's because it's perfectly legal and fine. I'm allowed to do whatever the fuck I want in my own computer. I'm entitled to stop any line of code I want from running on the hardware I own, or from modifying the code that runs there. There is nothing wrong or illegal or unethical about ReVanced or about INSTALLING WHATEVER SOFTWARE I WANT ON MY OWN COMPUTER like I have always been able to do. Let's not pretend otherwise.

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This comment section genuinely has me concerned. I have no clue why everyone here is taking this so seriously. It's obviously a joke. And not in the "oh, he's trying to convince you, but come on, we know he's a troll, don't believe him" sort of way. In the "this is obviously a joke you're meant to know is a joke" way. Why does everyone think he's trying to say this seriously lmao what is wrong with everyone. People are calling him a liar here. Guys, it's not a lie if the intention is for you to be in on it.

kn the real wleld, and harm them

Exactly, dumbass. Harm extends to the real world. If I know who you are, I can find out where you work. I can find out where you live. I can find out where your children go to school. And I don't need to even show my face to you to put the fear of god into you and your entire family.

And guess what, me having to reveal myself online does NOTHING to prevent that. Because I don't have to interact with you online to go after you in the real world. This is what I don't think you're getting. I don't have to interact with you at all to look at your profile and then search online for more information. Me having to reveal myself online would do nothing other than put me in the same danger you would be in. I could see a comment you made online, find out who you are, and go after you without you ever having a single clue who I am, where I came from, what I want, or why I'm targetting you. You think anonymous threats can only be sent online? You think threats and harsh words are the only harm that can come from this? Because that's the only harm it can do online, and all you have to do then is log off. But you want to invite everyone who comes across you online, to know exactly who you are in the real world. And you cant log off from there. And the potential harm is much much greater.

Are you starting to grasp the problem now that you literally spelled it out, or not yet? If you tell people who you are, people can find and hurt you, in the real world, not just online. And others revealing personal information online too does nothing other than put everyone else in the same danger. Because I didn't need to reply to you to know you live in Zaragoza. That's information you shared willingly. Imagine how easy it would be to anonymously find you or anyone else if you also gave me your personal identity.

You are helping nobody with this idea. You'd be hurting everyone.

Edit: damn, I answered and you just downvote, instead of adressing my post,

Honey, I logged off. I'm not on this website 24/7. Someone else downvoted you before I got the chance to read or reply. Clearly I'm not the only person who thinks your idea is stupid.

If we both had our identity revealed, you would have adressed my points, or admit you stand corrected.

I'm addressing them now with no identity revealed, and I don't stand corrected.

I had revealed my identity, you would be looking for ways to go after me in the real world.

I love how you run straight into the fucking point and still don't understand what the problem is.

You’d be surprised just how much info data brokers have on you.

Great argument as to why we should reinforce anonymity, and not link our real identities by default.

I personally think there should be no anonymity and that it would make people think twice about what they post online and what opinions they share.

Please stand by your opinion and identify yourself. Name, country of origin, address, and an image of your face please.

Edit: Oh, and un-obfuscate your profile, coward. Stand by what you say and don't hide it. Let us see your post history. If you didn't want people seeing what you post you might want to think twice about what you post online and what opinions you share. Hypocrite.

Ah yes so much supposed information that I haven't seen, so much supposed action. And yet none of you seem capable of providing it. Yeah that's what I thought. All you people can do is talk.

Cowards

That's not how that works lol

You people aren't really helping yourselves either, so I don't know what you're upset about.

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So, vibes. Lol ok.

Why?