u/baaz1001

This has become a zionist genocide denial circle jerk post

Prove to me jesus is a god

So ummmm u gonna be basically reposting the same thing across several sub-reddits on a daily basis. Adding nothing new or nuanced. Cool 😎

Lol you are doing your best to defend and uphold a strawman forced on you by blind faith so I don’t really blame you, free thinking is what made me reject Christianity non of it would make sense and you seem to be only parroting what you hear on your fav apologetics videos, so become that free thinker you speak of and seek the truth, Christianity has so many problems

The Qur’an never says the Bible in its present form is perfectly true, it affirms the original revelations and for the billionth time the entity the quran affirms is the injeel as was revealed to Jesus and Torah of Moses not what the scribes write with their own hands to claim later these are the words of God, The Quran condemns them as corruptions, and sets itself as the final criterion. That’s consistent. What’s inconsistent is your claim of free thinking while parroting the same apologetics talking points I’ve heard a hundred times.

Sticking to our original topic. I agree with you that the Quran condemns the altered Scriptures

Fantastic, I'd even dare say hallelujah, it took long enough

But the Quran also says that there are Jews and Christians that are still the Guardians of the original, unaltered scriptures.
Where, in fact we have the Quran saying they are hiding and obscuring the true scriptures and they are challenged to show it, surah 3 verse 98:
''Say, `O you people of the Scripture! Why do you deny the Messages of Allâh, while Allâh is Witness to all that you do.´'' There may have been a minority of the people of scripture who held on to the true scriptures and those are the ones being commended but no guardianship is mentioned as those corrupted books were nullified and superseded by the Quran as the criterion of truth surah 3 verse 113:

Yet all of them are not alike. Among the people of the Book is a section upright, who recite the scriptures in the hours of the night and bow in adoration and pray,
Some of them, a minority still read the true scriptures, this verse exposes you more than it helps your strawman, it says some remained true while others/majority concealed, distorted and corrupted, the themes of the Quran are clear despite all your distortion attempts, this actually goes a step further since what you’re doing now, by distorting words and ignoring the full context to fit an agenda. If we see that happening in a live conversation today, why should we think it never happened when scriptures were copied, translated, and debated over centuries? especially over books whose human authors claimed divine inspiration while their result is full of errors and contradictions

The Qur’an’s warning about concealment, distortion, and writing with their own hands (2:75, 2:79, 5:13) makes perfect sense, because human bias hasn’t changed

I would encourage you to really study the historicity of how the Gospels we have today in main stream Christianity are based off the original manuscripts written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. We have manuscripts from 300 B.C. That we can compare today’s text against for the Tanakh. You can even level the playing field and use scholars that are not Christian or Muslim, and they will confirm to you the authenticity of what we have today, as well as the fact that Jesus indeed died on a cross.

I have done so and the clear cut result is that there was no preservation of the bible and alterations and changes (corruptions) were still happening till the 1970s, study after study has shown this, I have seen some of Bart D. Ehrman's work and I'm yet to see a single apologist make a counter to his claims that holds water, I would like to see one!

Why go back to ancient manuscripts when scriptures are being changed today, look at this website that details all the changes from the NASB 1995 to the 2020 version: https://j.hn/nasb-1995-nasb-2020-every-change
Could you explain all these changes eg:
Ephesians 1:5 – He predestined us to adoption as sons and daughters through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
vs
Ephesians 1:5 – He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intentionof His will.
While also missing vereses that can be found in the King James edition

The Bible is a collection of the individual manuscripts that were circulated in the late 1st and 2nd centuries. There were thousands of copies of each book in the NT. To think that every one of them was rounded up and altered is impossible. Allah preserved his word right?

Well they never were the words of Allah since he condemned them, they claimed it to be from God when it was written by their hands, one single incident that crushes the whole it is the word of God is the inclusion of the word for word prophecy from the book of Enoch, you are telling me God's divine inspiration was to lift passages from heretical books, if that is true then the book of Enoch is scripture and due to human corruption it was removed from the canon, therefore the bible is corrupted and false, or option B the book of Enoch is heretical and a divinely inspired scribe lifted word for word heresy therefore the bible is false as it references and affirms heretical passages

If Allah is all powerful, and his words cannot be changed or altered, it would make sense that he has preserved his revelations throughout history Another strawman here to say the Quran says God will preserve the Injeel and Torah when it does not claim that, of course God can preserve his revelation but it is a question of did he? And the answer is no since Islamically these revelations, like those before them, were sent for a particular people and a particular time period, with each society having its own laws as stated in the Qur’an. The people of these messages were set as guardians of their scriptures until the next prophet, who was usually mentioned in the previous book. This continued until the Qur’an, which (according to the Qur’an itself) supersedes all previous revelations and is preserved and protected until the end times.
But how can you talk of preservation when the holy spirit inspired heretical works to be quoted and affirmed in the bible, it is a really hard corner to get out of for any free thinker not weighed down by dogma:

-Option 1:
If one verse from the book of Enoch was divinely inspired then divine canon is incomplete since where is the cut? Remember humans were the ones who rejected the book of Enoch so if one verse was divine how do we know there aren't any other divine revelations remaining in that book, so the bible is incomplete and controlled by humans who decide what is canonly divine and what is not, thus bible is indeed corrupted

-Option 2: If god allows his divine scripture to include a word by word citation of human fabrication then the line between divine and human is blurred and shows signs again of a corrupted bible

-Option 3:
This whole thing indicates to any free thinker that God's words are incomplete, as a Christian you believe the Bible to be complete sufficient word of God, but if a verse in the book of Enoch was really from the prophet Enoch and a prophecy that means God's canon can exist outside of the bible and it took John to bring it into the canon which undermines a complete canon idea, what other divine inspiration existed or still exists outside the canon and how is it that mere humans come together in Rome to pick and choose what is divine and what is not we supposed to hinge our salvation to the arbitrary selection of clergyman, who and how do you select what is divine from what is not, and if you claim the holy spirit is the divine that inspired John to write this verse and made him distinguish what is divine in Enoch from what is not why was this distinction not preserved in the bible for the Church, like saying behold these come from Enoch but that book is heresy

I would like to ask again, how can the Quran supersede something that came before it, if its purpose was to affirm/confirm it. If it supersedes the unaltered Injeel and Torah, then wouldn’t it be backwards, they would confirm the Quran? That wouldn’t make any logical sense. The Quran was meant to confirm the revelations of Allah to the previous prophets and to Jesus. If they differ in any way, it is not a true revelation from Allah, right?

Ummm updates come after the versions that came before it and supersede them it is not a very hard concept to understand, and indeed the Injeel and torah the Quran supersedes and affirms their truths while condemning their corruptions do mention the Quran and Mohamed as a prophet
As I said 10 times before the Quran speaks of the Injeel revealed to Jesus not the gospels written by scribes, the Quran speaks of the injeel that mentions the coming of Mohamed, that compliments Mohamed and his companions, the injeel the Quran speaks of says this:
Their mark is on their foreheads from the effect of prostrations. Their likeness in the Torah, and their likeness in the Injeel, is like a seed that sends out a stalk, then makes it firm, and it becomes strong and rises straight upon its stem, gladdening the cultivator´s heart, in order to fill the unbelievers with dismay. God has promised those who believe and do the right forgiveness and a great reward.

Do you find that in the Gospels? if not then the Quran is talking of a different entity

Luke and Paul had widely circulated accounts and letters distributed around the Roman Empire and into Asia. Through preservation and archaeological finds around Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and Africa, we can compare the ancient manuscripts found and have confidence in their reliability. What evidence do you have outside of Islam that says otherwise?

Are you claiming that only in Islam do you see doubt casted on the reliability of the Gospels of Luke, Paul and Mathiew

Edit: formating

Yep, let's believe this story from the authors of 40 beheaded babies and babies in the oven Isis is nasty and disgusting enough without need to have fake stories linking them in with hamas by the architects of modern day Gaza genocide Vile propaganda

Clearly a racist islamophobe idiot trying to stirr shit up No cohesive argument or discussion just a random pic to try and tarr Muslims in a brush. Probably a zionist Gtfo troll

I think he means the government and the system, it would be very stupid of him to blanket call savage the average saudi who has no say in this and just lives his life. Sauids aren't bad ppl bro, don't worry :D

Here are a few my friend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nxU7is2Tu8&list=PLvGzSI9PbQ4YYDPe5pN4GodtlMqMMX9Ef&index=40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvlIwPruum0&list=PLvGzSI9PbQ4YYDPe5pN4GodtlMqMMX9Ef&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMYzK0oJUKk&list=PL025TEvvX7hp1L0uy-h7djyZajRxBHUjv&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4H6za7AWk4

You are a confused person mate. Give it a rest. KSA will always be a backward shitehole that without oil or the money from religious tourism would be nothing. No matter how much you shill, it wont change the facts. ''We will make a few movies'' he said lool!

"my mom meeting other men and introducing me to them, she introduced me to the first guy when I was 12" Are you somehow retarded or are you stuck in grade 2 reading and comprehension? what the other guy said was true you struggle to understand what you read or quote. The woman is saying her mum introduced her to the guys the mum was dating. In other words the mum was saying hey darling this is the new guy I'm dating say hi (hence the introducing part) I don't know how the wiring in your brain connected that to mean muzlamic introducing 12 year old for sex! Stop foaming at the mouth for a second and try to read the post.

So basically you like killing muzzies?

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