u/killingmemesoftly

You’ve never had a guy ADMIT that he likes you.

At that age most guys are terrified to speak to women let alone approach them in that way.

You’re not ugly, not even close.

Your facial symmetry and proportions are excellent, and you’re definitely beautiful

You just look way too young to be attractive to people who aren’t your age.

The psychotic wide eyed stare and shirtlessness make me think alt right doofus who thinks he’s a badass

But the pudginess makes me think liberal or moderate satirizing the alt right wannabe badass.

The long, unkempt hair makes me think deep-woods, touched in the head alt right, or lefty who makes music and art and is on the fringes so to speak.

In other words I have no real clue, and nothing would surprise me

But if I had to guess… right leaning.

What’s the answer?

I’m gonna be the odd man out and let you know the real reason you aren’t being approached:

It is because dudes your age are terrified of women.

If you were to plot out a woman’s attractiveness on one axis and the number of times she gets approached on another, the graph would be a bell curve.

Men don’t typically approach women they aren’t attracted to, and they also don’t often approach women who seem out of their league.

Moderately attractive women are in the middle of the curve and more conventionally attractive the woman is the less she’s going to be approached because any man who approaches her would have to think he has a chance.

The guys saying you look like you have an attitude or you look like you’re high maintenance are quietly admitting they think you’re out of their league, that they’d get shot down if they tried to talk to you.

Most men are terrified of rejection, and that effect is far more pronounced among men who are brand new to adulthood. They haven’t practiced enough to know their own attractiveness level or to have a confident approach.

But any of those guys in the comments saying you give of a vibe that they’d never want to approach are really saying more about themselves than about you.

Anyway to answer your question you are not ugly, far from it.

Your facial features have great symmetry and excellent proportions, you’re conventionally beautiful and I can safely assume the majority of people your age would consider you highly attractive.

You have great bone structure, a healthy complexion, and an aesthetic overall style. Your piercings fit your face and are not “too much”

You also project a kind vibe.

Personally I wouldn’t approach you but it’s not because you don’t look great, it’s because I’m just personally not attracted to women any younger than 30, and beyond that I tend to prefer late thirties or early 40s, as most women peak around those ages

I usually find women in their early twenties completely unattractive just because they still look like kids to me, and a big part of that is the buccal fat (baby fat) in the cheeks. It’s totally natural padding in the lower face that gives a youthful look, and most women don’t thin out that buccal fat until they are through their late twenties.

As the facial fat thins with age women get that “grown woman” look which immediately ramps up and elevates their attractiveness.

That’s why celebrities have gone and gotten cosmetic procedures to emulate that shift, by reducing the buccal fat in their faces. Unfortunately surgeries always seem to butcher the natural beauty of aging and they end up looking very uncanny and offputting.

Anyway, you don’t seem to show much buccal fat in your face, which is throwing me for a loop, because face wise I’d have guessed you were mid to late twenties. Far more attractive and sophisticated look than typical 20 year olds… still too young for me to be visually interested in, but I feel it’s worth mentioning for one reason only:

Your face is going to continue to develop in the coming years and a large part of that development is thinning of the buccal fat….

Trouble is your current look exactly as you are right now is very close to the feminine ideal, so while I would advise you to embrace aging naturally and gracefully I’d would just caution you to AVOID losing any weight.

Weight loss can make buccal fat loss more pronounced and on overweight or very young looking/ baby faced people that’s a good thing.

On someone who already sort of conveys that grown woman look, a deep loss of already thin buccal fat may give you a somewhat gaunt appearance.

But all of this being said, you are absolutely not ugly, one of the most beautiful women I’ve seen on this sub.

Don’t gauge your attractiveness off whether or not men are approaching you, especially at that age as the only guys who will approach a woman at your level are guys who are confident— and a lot of confidence at that age is just bravado and pretend.

Im not necessarily saying you should do this, but if you approached any of those guys in your social circle who aren’t approaching you they’d probably respond pretty well, unless they are truly insecure with who they are.

Not ugly, farthest thing from ugly. You’re good!

Edit: I wrote this after reading only the top two comments. After reading the rest of the comments and looking at the vote counts in the top comments I’ll add this:

Not only are men terrified of beautiful women, they also apparently hate beautiful women.

I’m also seeing jealous women show up in the comments.

Like damn! Yall really got triggered HARD by a beautiful woman asking if she’s ugly.

Anyway, the way it seems so unanimous is a strong and clear indicator that you’re peak attractiveness. I’m gonna go so far as to say the huge number of angry, judgy comments have implicitly rated you a 10.

Those guys trying to gauge your whole personality as unlovable based off your one word reply to a sexist accusation? Those guys are 100% blown away by your physical appearance to such a degree that they are currently ruminating on how ugly/ unworthy they feel in comparison. Only way they can boost their mood after such a blow to their confidence is to say that you’re the unworthy one because you’re a bad person???

Yuck. I better ad some more advice, which I wasn’t intending before reading all their comments.

Please do not let any man define or cheapen your self worth. Beyond looks, love yourself, give yourself accountability but also grace. You must practice these things because you have a terrible obstacle ahead of you, the social obstacle of looking way better than most of the public. The result is angry, bitter, insecure men and women both are constantly going to pester, insult, demean, judge and harass you.

Don’t ever fall for negging and don’t listen to those fucking clowns who are writing off your whole personality of a couple comments on Reddit

Yuck yuck yuck!

On behalf of men, I apologize that our whole gender is so flailingly weak and stupid.

If you need someone to chat with who can give you honest opinions and a little emotional support my DMs are open. I’m too busy to be a real friend so prolly don’t lean on me for anything super deep. But if you need truthful insight into the male perspective I am willing to help you with that.

She’s exactly like my ex holy shit

The way she instigates, escalates, and keeps it going from start to forever.

She started making it physical by pressing up on him, posturing, physically touching him while yelling and calling him a bitch.

Bumping him then getting made he repelled her. Poking him in the face as if that deliberate contact were an accident.

Every time he tried to disengage she fired things back up.

She was absolutely trying to provoke him, why else would she be filming and literally scoop the phone up when it fell.

I left my cunt of an ex because I knew if I stayed with her she’d wear me down into a man who gets violent which isn’t what I’m willing to be.

That guy shouldn’t have choked this woman but he also shouldn’t put up with her.

Fellas if a woman treats you like this, LEAVE HER ASS

Leave that insufferable bitch alone with her own awful self.

The way he kept telling her to cut it the fuck out cuz she wasn’t strong enough is the same shit I used to say when my ex physically abused me.

And part of the reason I left is because I had a realization, I could defend myself against her abuse because I was much larger.

But if I ever became disabled she’d keep abusing me and I wouldn’t be strong enough to escape or to restrain her.

This woman is an abuser that man needs to get out.

Not ugly at all. You just look too shy and insecure to be approached I think.

I mean mainly in the last pic. You give an impression of uncertainty.

I dunno it’s hard for me to gauge as I’m not attracted to me.

You seem physically healthy, and well dressed. I’d guess you’re about average? Which most people are.

I think putting your chin down and looking up at the camera is a very bad angle for most people, but also for you specifically because it makes it seem as though you have senpaku eyes at that angle, where the sclera are visible below your iris (first and last pics)

That’s a look that’s commonly associated with psychos, violence, and sinister intent in the media, which is incredibly unfair but also kind of just a thing to be aware of.

You don’t project that uncanny look in the eyes when you are facing the camera head on, so it’s not a thing you shouldn’t worry about too much, id say the majority of people show some sclera above or below at certain angles so whatever.

All this being said the pic where you’re not smiling seems like what I would guess to be attractive to women, and so would the pic where you’re smiling and holding the camera more in the passenger seat. Your smile there seems warmer, more relaxed, and more genuine. (Second to last pic). You seem to be smiling with your eyes more which is just more assuring.

You could try experimenting with different hair styles but I think you have a nice head shape and the short hair probably is a good look for you.

Best of luck dude!

For what it’s worth, I wouldn’t be upset if I looked like you, I think you look better than I do, definitely in better shape, and I have okay luck with women.

The main thing is confidence, safety, and humor.

Love yourself first, then project respect and safety with some flirty humor and you’re good

Definitely not ugly in the face, very pretty actually.

but you’re significantly overweight and that causes your actual attractiveness to plummet. Whether that’s a dealbreaker for people depends on their own preferences and probably how healthy they are

My only rec is to work on getting fit. Intermittent fasting is a great starting point because it allows you to eat whatever you want just in a limited schedule, and once you see some pounds fall off you’ll get an energy boost that makes hitting the gym or the local park a little easier :)

Honestly, if you slimmed down you’d be so attractive that some people would probably be afraid to approach you.

Definitely not ugly in the face, very pretty actually.

but you’re significantly overweight and that causes your actual attractiveness to plummet. Whether that’s a dealbreaker for people depends on their own preferences and probably how healthy they are

My only rec is to work on getting fit. Intermittent fasting is a great starting point because it allows you to eat whatever you want just in a limited schedule, and once you see some pounds fall off you’ll get an energy boost that makes hitting the gym or the local park a little easier :)

Honestly, if you slimmed down you’d be so attractive that some people would probably be afraid to approach you.

Definitely not ugly in the face, very pretty actually.

but you’re significantly overweight and that causes your actual attractiveness to plummet. Whether that’s a dealbreaker for people depends on their own preferences and probably how healthy they are

My only rec is to work on getting fit. Intermittent fasting is a great starting point because it allows you to eat whatever you want just in a limited schedule, and once you see some pounds fall off you’ll get an energy boost that makes hitting the gym or the local park a little easier :)

Honestly, if you slimmed down you’d be so attractive that some people would probably be afraid to approach you.

When you talk about belly bulges, is that the same sort of thing that happens just on a different scale with regular vaginal sex when you’re in missionary and you see the bulge right near the pubic bone? That’s much lower than the belly but always triggers my lizard brain if I notice it. My ex used to love pressing on her flesh when it would bulge I don’t know if it increased physical sensation for her or if it was a psychological thing

Ugly to me, but I’m almost never into white women and have difficulty gauging whether white women are ugly.

I’d say you’re probably average in the eyes of most people, but I’d also add that trimming down and working on your physical fitness may be one way to boost your perceived attractiveness.

Edit: I hope you do not feel ugly, as projecting that sort of insecurity can scare people away and make a loneliness issue more compounded. Best of luck, and remember the start is loving yourself, which will in turn attract someone on your level

Barf

Hahahaha you’re so hilariously triggered

White women are idealized through mainstream media but they’re absolutely not universally attractive.

look how many white celebrities run to get lip filler, tans, and bbls all to emulate what they are NOT.

I’m not even saying attractive white women don’t exist.

Just that they are in many people’s opinions exceedingly rare.

Sounds like this truth struck a nerve and I’d advise you to not give a shit about a random redditors opinion.

Don’t get your feelings hurt by this lil guy

Have fun chasing the very same women I wouldn’t even bother to look at.

Not ugly but I don’t think bangs are a flattering hair style. At least not the way you have them styled here.

In the first pic you really look like faramir, captain of Gondor.

Second pic is def better.

One guy can still produce and sell stuff in a communist economy and society.

Same way we can still give things away for free in a capitalist economy.

There’s still such a thing as individual autonomy.

You can tell the aching libertarians not to worry.

Socialized industry doesn’t mean no industry. It means the means of production are owned by the public and managed by the government, potentially through democratic means.

It also means that the core needs of society as well as the primary outputs of socialized industry are applied to the benefit of the public, instead of centralized among the wealthy elite

Sure thing and good on you OP, for doing it for you!

I hate the way society pressures women to cater to or even consider the male gaze, even from girlhood. It’s disgusting and male approval shouldn’t be a factor!

But such is life, as dictated to us by the media.

So much of the concept of beauty is conflated with the concept of desirability. there may be some natural overlap but these are two fundamentally different things.

I wish English had better words for types of beauty in that regard because even something as saying you want to look good carries fairly intrusive connotations.

Part of the reason I mentioned attractiveness as a factor in my first comment was specifically to dismiss it.

I’ve noticed that a lot of young women are pressured by social media, mainstream media, and even friends or family to look a certain way specifically to attract a partner and as a girl dad I hate everything about that.

I mean there’s nothing wrong with putting effort into attractiveness, that’s valid for most people at some point. But approval from others shouldn’t weigh on any persons self worth.

I feel like that’s where we got the social problems of psychotic incel guys and pick-me girls from.

Anyway, long rant— but again good on you!
Sorry if I made any intrusive assumptions, wish ya luck with everything!

Definitely beautiful in the face, before I saw the tooth I would have said face wise an 8 maybe even a 9.

I’d still say 8-9 if your mouth is closed.

But that one tooth is extremely distracting and it makes you look “stupid”. As in cognitively impaired. I know how ridiculous that sounds.

It’s not a deal breaker and it doesn’t make you ugly— if you’re actually intelligent it doesn’t actually matter whether you look intelligent.

but it definitely interferes a bit with your overall aesthetic.

When your mouth is open it brings you down a point or two

I don’t know if it’s worth fixing to boost your attractiveness or worth leaving to repel shallow people lol

Body wise you look great

I will also say this: I almost never find white women attractive. Even when I can admit they’re conventionally pretty.

But you’re look even with the tooth is definitely a lot better than the average white woman and I think realistically if I met you in passing I’d try to chat you up, until I saw your tooth then I’d be kinda taken aback but only briefly. Like I said that wouldn’t be a deal breaker, just a heavily noticeable flaw, but NOBODY is flawless so don’t let that drag you too far down

Your eyes are your strong suit, wonderful shape, color, and expressiveness (and as opposed on your tooth your eyes give an impression of intelligence, so it balances out )

Also you look a little on the younger side. If you haven’t hit your thirties yet just know your look is going to elevate in time, because that’s where women look their best

Def not ugly, second slide is the best one far your facial proportions are beautiful in profile

No problems to be seen

You just look too young to be attractive then way you’re probably hoping.

You could experiment with different hairstyles or clothing choices to project a more mature vibe but ultimately there’s nothing you NEED to change.

Just give yourself some slack! You look good and should work on your confidence, in time your face will look more mature and if you seem like someone who loves herself you’ll definitely attract a lot of people

Yeah that person has no idea what they’re talking about. Leftists are anti-billionaire and strongly favor social safety nets and welfare programs that benefit the poor and working class, even to the expense of the billionaire class.

The right are more likely to push tax breaks, incentives, and kick backs for the rich and the corporate class, whereas the left want to maintain and increase taxes on the wealthy to better meet the needs of the broader public.

Democratic socialists in America might not want to abolish capitalism but they do want to redistribute wealth in a more equitable and sustainable way by ensuring social safety nets are maintained and expanded.

The us already has any programs that are socialized (police and fire, road maintenance, sewers and municipal infrastructure, parks, public education) DSAs and more broadly leftist would advocate for things like socialized (publicly funded) medicine, housing, socialized agriculture and food distribution (like mandani’s city grocery stores), etc. many DSAs would still allow capitalism to operate as means of incentivizing innovation or fulfilling things that aren’t really essential for life (entertainment, arts, “stuff” etc)

Democratic socialists want all people’s basic needs met BEFORE anyone is allowed to accumulate excess luxury and wealth. American DSAs want revision to the systems we already have to expand protections for the poor but still generally employ American democratic institutions and the use of currency

A full socialist would want to do away with capitalism, or capital/ exchange, and a specific type of socialism that implies nobody owns anything and everything is owned by everybody (often this is reduced down to “owned by the state”)

In any case socialism is not inherently undemocratic, or totalitarian so whenever you hear someone railing against socialism as some sort of hellscape where a dictator tells you what you’re allowed to have or not have, you can confidently assume that someone has no idea what socialism is and has fallen for the fear mongering propaganda.

The right (the pro capitalist side) believes that the best way to meet the needs of all people is to privatize the means of production as much as possible, and to rely on completion to drive a market which balances free will against all resources including labor. Capitalists inherently believe that the market will regulate itself through the interplay of supply and demand, and that the value of labor will ensure a living wage for laborers, but reality shows us that the cost of living always goes up, even when wages do not. This is because the bottom line of any capitalist entity, as a business, is to continually achieve higher profits. The model is, at its heart, unsustainable and broken— rewarding greed such that whoever owns the means of production has a disproportionate share of the bargaining power when it comes to the interplay of supply and demand.

Things like ai atomization threaten to further cheapen the value of labor, and really the only way to push back against the ruling class in a capitalistic society (those who own the means) is collective bargaining and class consciousness. But the working class is constantly pitted against itself and disrupted, not only through outright union busting but through anti socialist propaganda and the general madness of party lines.

Extremely long winded answer but the tldr is:

The right is capitalist, and billionaires are too. The left is (to varying degrees) willing to regulate, restrict, or even oppose capitalism.