u/nmotsch789

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nmotsch789

Just so you're aware, [Main] isn't a trigger. It's a direct activation. The difference matters.

Something important to be aware of is that in this game, "trigger" and "activate" aren't the same thing. An effect "triggering" means it sees its trigger event happen and it becomes pending. "Activating" is actually doing the effect.

Effect triggers are certain timing keywords, such as "[On Play]" or "[When Digivolving]", or they're "When" clauses like "When X happens" ("When this Digimon suspends,...", "When any of your Digimon would be played,...", etc). When these happen, an effect triggers, meaning it becomes pending. Triggering isn't something anyone does; it's something that just happens. Then, you activate the effect, meaning you actually do the effect.

[Main] indicates that something doesn't trigger, it's directly activated as a free gameplay action within the main phase. (Or, if it's the first normal [Main] effect on an option (for something like a memory boost which has more than one without a location tag), then it indicates that it gets activated when the option is "used" - again, still not a trigger.)

(As an aside, I'll note that Overflow never counts as "triggering" or "activating", so that part of the card wouldn't work either. Overflow isn't an effect, it's a rule that just happens, and it doesn't follow trigger or activation timing rules.)

nmotsch789

The second part of the [All Turns] effect doesn't do anything. "Trigger" has a specific meaning in this game, and it never applies to Overflow. Overflow never counts as "triggering" (nor does it count as "activating"), because it isn't an effect, it's a rule with entirely different rules for how it gets resolved. It'd need to say something like "Overflow doesn't happen" or "Overflow isn't processed for your Ace cards". (Which would be incredibly unbalanced and would go against the entire design intent of Ace cards, but that's a separate matter.)

This is actually important to be aware of from a gameplay standpoint, because the rules for trigger resolution don't apply to Overflow at all. It's not "thing happens to trigger the effect, then you activate the effect". It's also not like the immediate-type "would" triggers where it happens just before an event occurs. Overflow happens immediately as the card it's tied to moves from the field, or under your cards on the field, to a location other than one of those. It never sits pending unless multiple instances of Overflow are caused by the same specific event, in which case, you process all of the Overflows before returning to whatever you were doing.

Also, the [Your Turn] effect on this card doesn't do anything. It has no trigger or activation condition whatsoever. There's no way to activate it.

nmotsch789

Thanks again for the reply. And thanks again for making this resource in the first place, btw. Have a good one!

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Wait, sorry, I was thinking about this and I'm confused again. Wouldn't the act of people visiting the cache site happen more often than the original site getting updated? Doesn't the current way cause more strain, especially if something is visiting the site autonomously? Even if we factor in changes to things like the individual articles' Discussion or History pages. Even if it didn't bother determining what was or wasn't worth keeping, it feels like it'd require less updating anyway.

Again, I'm not arguing here, and I'm not saying to change anything, I'm just curious.

Also, on the occasions where the cache site does give you a message about the cache being updated (I came across that a couple of times), does that only happen if the page you're trying to visit hadn't been cached at all yet?

nmotsch789

Understandable. Thanks for all of the replies!

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Oh, I was curious about something. Let's say I made a change to an article on the original site 25 hours ago, and then another change 8 hours ago. Then I load the page on your website. Will the cache site grab the most recent version? In other words, is the logic "it can only see back 24 hours at most and looks for changes", or is the logic "check if there were any changes within the last 24 hours, and if there were any, then cache the most recent version"?

This doesn't really matter too much. I'm just curious about how it works (and why).

nmotsch789

Understandable, although if it doesn't change much, then I'm not sure if the resource usage would be too much higher (but I honestly don't really know what I'm talking about here, I've never made a website, so I'm not going to say you're wrong). As far as "what's worth grabbing", my gut feeling is "all of it", but maybe I'm just thinking emotionally there. The need to wait 24 hours before changes can be manually cached by loading the page on your site also seems odd to me, but I'm sure you have a reason for it. Regardless, thanks for responding!

nmotsch789

This is a very useful and highly-appreciated resource.

Wouldn't it make more sense to automatically update the cache periodically, triggered by edits to the original site being made? Based on how you describe it, if it's a page that got changed but isn't frequently visited, someone may never even realize they're looking at an out-of-date version of it. And if a page isn't visited on the cache after a change is made, then the cache won't ever have the new information. It also seems to mean that if I made changes to the original wiki and want those changes to get cached on your site, I have to wait 24 hours and then visit the pages I edited on the cache site, which seems odd. Or am I misunderstanding how this works?

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Reddit seems to say it was banned 2 years ago.

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It's just a muddy shore.

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It's perfectly fine. The edge is dark because it's muddy. Shadows don't move with the waves, and a shadow from the wall wouldn't have a gap in it (much less a moving gap).

Also, chapter 2 directly tells us that the area is a beach.

nmotsch789

He outright says he can live in shallow water in Undertale. There's no reason to think his physiology is significantly different in DR.

Why would a shadow from a wall move back and forth with a gap in it along with the waves? Not to mention that chapter 2 tells us it's a beach.

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Onionsan says in Undertale that he can live in shallow water. He's just squishy.

The edge of the water is just muddy. If it was a shadow from a wall, then it wouldn't move back and forth with the waves, and there wouldn't be a gap of clear water that moves back and forth.

Also, chapter 2 explicitly tells us that the area is a beach.

nmotsch789

The game explicitly tells us that it's a beach in chapter 2.

A shadow from a wall wouldn't move back and forth with the waves, and wouldn't have a gap in it.

nmotsch789

If it was a shadow, then the dark part wouldn't move with the waves, and a clear part wouldn't move in and out of it with the waves.

The edge is just muddy. Lots of lakes are darker at the edge of the water. Chapter 2 explicitly tells us it's a beach.

nmotsch789

It's perfectly fine in this instance. The edge is dark because it's muddy water. Lots of lakes are like that. If it was a shadow, then the dark part wouldn't move with the waves, and a clear part wouldn't move in and out of it with the waves.

nmotsch789

The edge is just dark because it's muddy. Lots of lakes are like that.

Chapter 2 explicitly told us it's a beach.

If it was a shadow from a wall, then the dark part wouldn't move with the waves, and a clear part wouldn't move in and out of it with the waves.

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They *claim* they are. Let's wait and see if they actually do. If accounts I've seen from other people are to be believed, the situation was actually worse than what the company is admitting to, so there's already dishonesty at work. And this company doesn't strike me as the type to be competent about *anything*.

nmotsch789

Real deer naturally shed their antlers every year, and the antlers grow back throughout the rest of the year.

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You realize that more than one bad thing can exist, right? Activist localizers are bad. Over-reliance on machine translation is also bad. It's not like these are the only two options.

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Did you read the text files it tells you about that appear in the game's Lang folder? The password for them is MANOS, all caps. Use something like 7zip

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See, even at the time you posted this, the Weird Route was referred to internally as "Side B". But your post has new relevance now, lol

(I stumbled upon this while searching for something else)

nmotsch789

You didn't ask for that, you asked what it was. I'm not the one who doesn't know how to do a basic Google search.

nmotsch789

Do you seriously not know how to use online search engines? Or do you just feel compelled to pollute the search results for other people with useless garbage like this?

nmotsch789

People owe Green money, and Green asks for it back. That's hardly holding a grudge.