u/shrf_buford_justice

This isn’t a case where you have much room to haggle. There’s like three belt fed upper options on the market, if the cheapest one is out of your budget, then it sounds like belt feds are out of your budget.

Best advice I can give is to keep an eye on tacswap / GAFS / gunbroker to see if anyone finds theirs too expensive to feed and needs to cut their losses by selling it for cheap ish. But like someone else said, if you can’t afford the cheapest belt fed upper on the market, then you probably can’t afford to feed it, so it might be better to just forego it entirely.

Well for one, in my very first comment, I explicitly stated that one of the main reasons I trust PS is because of how closely their technical reports of suppressor performance align with my real world personal experience. Not sure why you’re treating this as a “gotcha” when I answered this question two comments before you asked it.

Also, PS has the advantage of seven years track record of providing such data, with dozens of brands who use them for feedback on their R&D process and countless users who also echo my experience of their testing matching real world performance. SM has… a Reddit account. No disrespect to SM, but right now, I have no reason to trust them more than some Joe off the street. SM are the ones trying to build their brand’s credibility, so of course I’m gonna compare them to the most credible silencer testing and evaluation lab in the industry.

At the risk of coming across as abrasive - which, to be clear, I don’t intend, I just don’t know a more polished way to say this, so I apologize in advance - I think you just don’t fully understand what it is PS does, or what SM is trying to do. SM clearly understood what I was getting at and agreed, I suspect that you probably just have some personal gripe with PS and you’re letting that cloud your judgement. Not everyone needs to be part of every conversation, and maybe this one isn’t for you.

There’s no way that after literal weeks of this sub begging for some clarity from the ATF on how they’re dealing with this injunction, you’re complaining that someone used their influence as a politician and youtuber to get those answers from the single most qualified person to speak on the matter

You people will complain about literally anything

Edit: Also, let’s not forget that Brandon Herrera was the first recipient of a 4473 transferred suppressor the moment the injunction went into effect. He’s been involved in this fight and done more than probably anyone else here, second only to the lawyers and team at GOA. If it were some random youtuber riding the hype train now that all the hard work has been done I might maybe see where you were coming from, but that’s clearly not the case here, you’re just whining to whine.

In your opinion, based on the information you had available to you at the time, for your personal level of risk tolerance, that might have been true. But that’s not universally true for everyone else just because of your opinion.

Also, like I said last week (and you ignored)… it’s hilarious to me that you’re throwing around words like “bootlicker” because I prefer a slightly different government permission slip and registry for my range toys. Like, a 4473 is still a government permission slip, and you’d be naive to be believe there isn’t a federal registry of 4473’s, so I’m not sure you’re the libertarian idealist you claim to be. If you were truly the “free men don’t ask permission” type, you’d just be printing suppressors with no paperwork or making machine guns in your garage without any permission slips at all. But instead, you LARP on Reddit because you’re a big tough badass who bought his suppressor with a 4473… I sure bet the ATF is shaking in their boots because of you.

Two things.

One, I have a wife and a kid on the way, a pretty great job, and a family I care about. It’s easy to morally grandstand on the internet about how you’re a big boy who isn’t scared of prison when you have nothing to lose, but if I’m being 100% real here, no, I’m not gambling with federal prison to get a range toy with slightly less paperwork in support of your internet moral grandstanding. Sorry dude, maybe cry about it, that might help.

Two, take a step back here and remember what it is that you’re actually fighting me about. The court injunction in question that you’re saying I’m a bootlicker for not complying with, still has you filling out a 4473 in order to possess a suppressor. In other words, you’re calling me a bootlicker because you prefer one government permission slip to own a suppressor over another.

If you were really the “free men don’t ask permission” type, then you’d be drilling third holes and making your own suppressors already, and this injunction would mean almost nothing to you. But you’re not doing that, because you’re not actually serious about the whole “free men don’t ask permission” thing, you’re just LARPing as a libertarian on the internet.

Take a step back, recognize that you’re not as badass as you act on the internet, maybe humble yourself a little, and find a hobby that isn’t starting fights on the internet.

It was never 100% kosher to put a foregrip, vertical or otherwise, on an AR pistol. A lot of people did it because for a while there, the only publicly available ATF opinion letter said that it was legal as long as it wasn’t vertical, but that was walked back later (and, in my non-lawyer opinion, probably misinterpreted in the first place).

Now, the practice is common enough that for the most part, you’re probably not gonna get hemmed up just for having a grip on an AR pistol, you gotta fuck up pretty bad for someone to be looking out for additional charges to tack on to your rap sheet. But if you want reassurance that whatever you’re about to do is 100% legal, you probably won’t get it.

Find the UPC for the product you want, plug it into gun(dot)deals, select cheapest option.

If that’s still too expensive, register for a tacswap or GAFS account and post a WTB listing.

If both of those are too expensive, lower standards or save more.

if you already knew all that whyd you write what you wrote in your first comment?

Nothing in my reply to you even remotely contradicts anything in my first comment.

why are you angry at me for not being able to adequately express yourself?

I’m not angry, I’m just baffled that you seem to have genuinely thought that I didn’t understand that plate carriers do not themselves shoot bullets. I mean, that’s about the level of knowledge on guns I’d expect from a bay area commie, but it’s still a bit shocking when it stares you in the face.

You are not worth my time so I’m done here.

ETA: Blocked by /u/KeyanuReaves69 before I could reply directly, so reply in edit:

The dude is not saying you think armor plates shoot bullets […] So your diatribe about plates shooting bullets is stupid and they highlight your own lack of reading comprehension.

That’s literally one of the things he said in his first reply to me. I know this because I quoted it verbatim. That’s not a case of one of us having bad reading comprehension skills, that’s just a case of you not reading.

he saying that you are not recognizing the fact that armor has value other than being used in an offensive manner. […] Based on these couple of comments from you, you associate wearing armor with shooting guns at people. You haven’t acknowledged any practical defensive use. Thats all the person replying to you was pointing out. One example of people who wear armor but don’t go on the offensive shooting guns are the press in areas of conflict or protest.

I recognize that there are cases in which one might need body armor other than “I plan to get into a gunfight.” My point was that those cases either cover an extreme minority of American civilians (your press example), or are a situation in which body armor is one possible solution, but there are a great many other, better solutions (violent protests - consider deescalating, discouraging agitators, and leaving protests when it looks like it might turn violent, instead of sticking around for the fireworks and letting yourself get shot at because you have a plate carrier so it’ll be fine).

The crux of my original comment was “the vast majority of 2A enthusiasts own body armor not because they need it, but because someone else told them they need it.” I love making this distinction because it brings everyone out of the woodwork when they feel personally called out for buying body armor and letting it collect dust - that’s great that you can identify that someone needs body armor, but are you the journalist venturing into violent protests? If so, then great, my original comment didn’t apply to you. If not, then sorry bud, your PC is LARP gear. I don’t say that to shame you - my PC is also sitting in my closet collecting dust, once I realized there’s no realistic scenario where I ever have to use it IRL - I’m just calling a spade a spade here.

Honestly? Obsidian 9. When I was researching what I wanted in a 9mm suppressor, I wanted something for a straight blowback host (GHM9) that I would almost never shoot on a handgun. I couldn’t tell you how many “I use it on my blowback PCC and it’s great, no FRP / blowback / gas stacking here” posts I found while I was researching it, and I’m here to tell you that Reddit was completely fucking wrong on all fronts.

To be clear, it’s not an inherently bad suppressor, it just made some design compromises that I don’t think make a lot of sense in general, and they definitely don’t make sense if all you want is a PCC suppressor. For example, because it was designed to be usable on a pistol, it needs to be skinny enough to clear a red dot, meaning you lose out on a lot of internal volume that might be nice for a PCC. But when you shoot it on a pistol, the FRP and blowback are pretty terrible, in both short and long versions, so you end up in a weird spot where you gave up all this volume so you could shoot it on a pistol, and it still sucks to shoot on a pistol anyway.

To Rugged’s credit, a lot of my complaints ultimately boil down to “I bought a budget-tier generalist 9mm suppressor, and that’s not something I should have done,” and that’s not necessarily their fault. If you’re 100% committed to wanting a 9mm suppressor that can be shot on a handgun, and absolutely do not want to spend more than $600, then I guess the O9 might make sense. But as I’ve gotten more experienced, and with the gift of hindsight, I feel like dedicated suppressors are the way to go, so I feel like most people shopping for 9mm suppressors should probably just buy a dedicated PCC can and call it a day.

I specifically remember a focus tripp live stream that was basically just three hours of Lucas Botkin, Ben Stoeger, Brass Facts, Hop, and Matt Pranka arguing about anything and everything related to being a gun influencer, and the one and only point that all of them agreed on was that the Springfield Prodigy was a piece of shit.

If you want to spend $800 on a project gun to tinker on, then it might be worth it. But if you want a 2011 that’s gonna run turnkey out of the box, then I wouldn’t.

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but if you’ve ever bought a gun from an FFL, then you’re already on an unlawful registry. Unless you’ve only exclusively bought secondhand firearms via private sales and paid cash, then you’re right here with the rest of us.

This is especially funny considering your flair indicates you’re an SBR owner - you’ve literally participated in the exact same registry you’re calling everyone else a cuck for participating in.

I mean, you have to file a single form with the ATF once per year for the SBR, and not at all for suppressors. So to say that out of state travel with “any NFA item” is a “major concern” is a gross overstatement in some cases, and completely incorrect for others.

Gun dot deals has the standard xmacro UPC (798681671205) from The Gun Shop USA at $640, why should I pay you $696 for this version?

Well in your scenario […]

Congratulations, you understand the concept of analogies. Hopefully you can also understand the concept of simplifying the analogy so that it’s digestible to people new to the situation.

These companies wouldn't even exist, these products wouldn't exist, if not for rare breed. It was either nothing or rare breed.

This is, one hundred percent, and without any exaggeration, completely incorrect.

The Super Safety, as developed by Hoffman Tactical, accomplishes the forced reset function by a completely different mechanism than RBT. RBT’s patents do not apply, because they specifically patented the concept of an FRT as applied to a drop-in, self-contained, cassette style AR15 trigger. Go watch the Fuddbusters video on the subject as they actually break down the lawsuits and patents involved, but a patent dated 1912(ish, it’s been a minute since I watched that video) already covered the concept of FRT’s in general, so there’s also a very, very strong argument to be made that RBT’s patent was null and void in the first place.

The choice is pretty simple. Especially how you just put it... Especially when rare breed goes to prison if they don't do this... So you expect this guy to go to fucking prison, also someone else can sell a product that would have been completely illegal if not for this guy? Lol

You are grossly misrepresenting the situation. The DOJ did not put a gun to RBT’s head and tell them “agree to this or I’m gonna throw you in jail.” RBT took the ATF to court, and by all accounts, was actually on track to win the lawsuit entirely. It was RBT’s choice to accept the settlement the DOJ offered them, this ultimatum you’re presenting doesn’t reflect reality at all.

Not to mention, the DOJ agreement requires RBT to litigate against anyone who infringes upon their patent - as in, if an FRT doesn’t infringe upon RBT’s patent, then they aren’t required to sue the manufacturer, because they have no basis to do so. Explain to me why, then, RBT is sending cease and desist letters to manufacturers and sellers of super safeties - which, may I remind you, are a drop-in replacement for a selector switch and a milspec trigger, not the cassette style FRT for which RBT actually holds a patent? Because if they were truly pro-2A, then I would expect them to welcome more FRT’s that don’t infringe upon their patent as a win-win; more FRT’s available to the public, and they’re made in such a way that RBT has no responsibility to even attempt to stop them.

Sometimes you get lucky and nobody between sales and shipping is double checking whether or not the item you’re buying is priced / discounted properly. And if the product makes its way out the door and into your hands before they can correct the issue, then good for you and that sucks for the seller.

But my unpopular opinion is that if it’s a pricing mistake, and the seller catches it before they ship the product, then that sucks for you but they’ve done nothing wrong. Just because their point of sale system lets a discount code apply where it shouldn’t, doesn’t mean that the system should trump a real human employee looking at the invoice and realizing there was a pricing error. Because that’s ultimately what you’re asking for here - that the soulless system they use to host their website is the ultimate deciding authority on pricing, not any real, warm-blooded human person that works at the company.

This pricing was an error. If they had let it slip, then it would have been a good day for you. But they didn’t, they corrected the error, better luck next time. They owe you nothing more than a refund in my opinion.

The answer really depends on what you want out of an ambi lower, but broadly speaking, I don’t believe this is the ambi lower most people are looking for.

I am a right handed shooter, and I own a MARS-L, a Griffin MK2, and a milspec lower with a BAD lever. In order of most to least value per dollar, the ranking goes BAD > MK2 > MARS, and in order of “objectively best performance, irrespective of price”, from best to worst, it goes MK2 > BAD > MARS.

The MARS is by no means a bad lower, it’s just that I’m a right handed shooter, so the only “non righty” part of the standard milspec lower is the bolt catch / release. So for me, the MARS kinda just behaves like a really expensive milspec lower, except it has a second bolt catch I can’t reach any more quickly than the milspec one, and has a second mag release button I never use. If I want a faster way to actuate the bolt catch, then a milspec lower with a BAD lever does this job better than the MARS-L, despite being like a third of the cost.

Talking to some lefty friends, the consensus we came to was that the milspec lower is so lefty friendly that the MARS-L offers you almost nothing. Literally all you need is an ambi mag release and you’re set. With that said, I’m not a lefty, so take all of that with a grain of salt.