Is android as fragmented and confusing to use as I'm led to believe?

So, I've been considering purchasing the SIII, but it's hard me to actually purchase my first Android phone. I'm looking for the community's opinion on it.

I originally had a Windows Mobile phone, back in 2006, before upgrading to an iPhone 3g. After having that for awhile, I bought the WP7 and loved it. My favorite phone that I ever owned. But, the recent WP8 update has me very upset: They killed Zune and syncing music between device and PC is a tremendous hassle.

I don't like the iPhone. I have a 4S for work, and it really bothers me, but I can't use WP8 for the next two years: I'll go crazy. So, for someone who is fairly computer literate (I'm a front-end web developer and IT specialist) and mostly wants a device that will play my music and give me directions where I need to go, is a Galaxy SII going to accomplish that? I don't play games on it (I have an iPad for that), and I don't need or want to mod it (I want my phone to work every time I pick it up; I don't care how it looks), will I find that with the SIII?

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RobbyLee

Best solution: Ask someone who has a galaxy s3, whether you are allowed to have it in your hand for like 10 minutes. He then can look over your shoulder while you do these things:

  • Go into the market and search for random stuff that might interest you (don't download, just search, so you know what the market offers)
  • Ask him if he hase some hind of note app, or anything where you can try the touch keyboard of the sIII.
  • Ask him if you are allowed to view the settings menu, so that you know how you can personalize the phone for you needs.
  • Ask him to pose for a picture, and ask him to look at the pictures he made (important: Tell him one day before so he can backup his nude pics. I asked a friend once and he didn't delete his nude pics from his phone. Awkward situation.)
  • Ask him whether you are allowed to add and remove a widget / shortcut to one of the home screens, so that you know what's available and how it works.
  • Ask him to play a music file he has on his phone
  • Go into several apps and use them. I used iPhone apps once and it is a whole different feeling.
gerbs [OP]

I should have done that yesterday. Three of my relatives have SIIIs. None of them were really tech people, so I was probably more knowledgeable about their phone than they were.

If I purchase, I plan on doing it today, so I might just go in and play around with it for awhile.

Thanks for the tips!

catalinus

I believe for you it seems to boil down to music management - for me that aspect must include the ability to copy a huge folder with a huge number of 5-6 levels-deep sub-folders, and then select one such sub-folder and play it; the default music player (and widget) does that fine, so I am more than happy with it. If you also have rich meta-info inside the MP3 files it will be used and you will be able to find everything fine.

Bottom line - the "fragmentation" appears so only from the point of view of somebody looking from a Mac notebook to buy a Windows notebook - on the Mac you have like at most 6-7 models possible at a time (with options for RAM or HDD and so), but on Windows you have like 6-7000 - kind of different hardware, but most apps from the market will probably work in an acceptable way. And of course that my Thinkpad will not be organized the same way as somebody else's Dell, but that does not mean I will not be able to navigate it once I get used a little with it :)

[deleted]

Did you buy one?

gerbs [OP]

Yes. So far, it's becoming my favorite mobile OS. I've used iPhone, Android and WP8 in the past month, and while there are parts I like about each, Android seems to be my favorite.

One thing Android needs is music controls similar to Apple Airplay. It was nice being able to see if my music is about to play quietly through my bluetooth headphones or pierce a silent office like a dying banshee. There are a lot of settings to fiddle with, but they're a little confusing and I feel like I need a manual to figure out what each of the symbols mean.

I really really miss the linked inboxes from Windows Phone, too.

The thing about Android though is that despite missing those things, I can either learn a simple language like Java and make it myself without having to drop $100 to submit the app ($200 if you're not an Apple dev).

Time will tell if I want to stick with it though. Either way, I'm selling the GSIII and picking up a Nexus 4 when they become available again.

[deleted]

Nice! Agreed on all points. And Android has made me a huge supporter of open source as well. I just got my Nexus 4 email an hour or so ago saying it will ship this week, so they must have gotten another shipment in. I wouldn't be surprised if they made them available again tomorrow.

VitoCassisi

SIII is fine for all that. Use Google Music to have all your music in the cloud ready to stream to your phone, or just copy+paste the music to the phone.

gerbs [OP]

I've never used Google Music. I've been using Zune (software) for 3+ years now and I really loved it. Would you know if the two are similar?

VitoCassisi

I've only ever used the desktop Zune software (and still do), so I don't know how they compare on mobile. The Google Music desktop software merely monitors your music directory and uploads tracks to the cloud.

gerbs [OP]

Zune desktop software is what I use as well. Though, I'm considering cancelling my pass after they took away the play count for songs. Is Google Music free?

tb110895

You can store up to 20,000 of your own songs for free. Any songs purchased from Google however, don't count towards that limit. Seeing as most people don't have 20,000 songs, its basically free.

xtnd

You have to understand what Google Music is. It is simply a service which stores your MP3 files (which you already own) in the "cloud". You can store up to 20,000 of your own songs on their servers for free. You primarily access it at music.google.com (or on your Android of course). A desktop client is provided for Windows and OSX, but it does nothing but watch your media folders and automatically upload new songs that you've added.

You can also purchase music in the Play Store. Any songs you purchase, at the standard ~$0.99 per song, is automatically added to your Google Music, playable on either music.google.com or your Android, and doesn't count toward your 20,000 cap.

It is not really comparable to Zune Pass. It is more similar to iTunes Match.

fenixjr

I'd compare them to be quite similar(aesthetically), however Google Music is essentially all Cloud based(so no syncing from computer to device, just upload to cloud), however it's also extremely simple to mark the files on your phone that you wish to remain locally stored so you don't have to stream them ever again, which is a clearly viable option with a GS3 and a large SD card, that way avoiding data usage.

The desktop software is just the upload client. And the desktop player is just an HTML5(or flash) based website, although if you wanted to poke around there is a usermade desktop client that gives it a little more customization and iirc can scrobble to last.fm

I been using Google Music since the first couple days it came out and for the most part have been nothing but satisfied. Up until that day i had a Zune 80GB... i think now it's just sitting somewhere in a closet collecting dust.

homewrddeer

I would suggest you check out double twist player. I've never used a zone, but double twist is extremely smooth and really easy to use. Mixzing is another good one.

bba170

I'm not really a fan of the S3. Its an amazing phone very powerful, beautiful screen but something about it just irks me. Just the way it looks and feels in my hand I cannot stand it. That being said, any phone ICS (4.0.1) and up is going be be a stable well operating phone. The Razr HD and the RAZR Maxx HD are both amazing phones, its just what ever one is going to be the most comfortable for you. I'd recommend fondling a bunch of them and see which you like.

As far as fragmented and confusing, not at all. They just have a different structure. Where the iPhone tweaks and customization are very limited, as well as applications. The Android phones are not, every application has its own menu options and individual settings. I think that is where most people get confused. They expect everything to be in ONE settings option on the home screen and its just not setup that way. Want to customize text messages, go into texts, menu button and settings. The other thing that seems to confuse people on android is the way applications are placed. Android doesn't MAKE you have all your applications on the home screen where as I phone does, you also get widgets for some applications which would be close to the windows phone live tiles you are used to.

As far as music, drag and drop cannot be any easier, want this song on your phone? Plug it in, drag and drop it in to your music folder on your phone. If you want to use an applications almost all android phones have their itunes/zune-esk applications, For example samsung has Kies, HTC has HTC Sync, and on and on however drag and drop pictures, music and videos is about as easy as it gets. Wanna go even further with music? OKAY! Google music allow you to upload your files to google music's cloud from your computer then stream them to your phone at any time over wifi or cellular data connection. That means no dragging and dropping anything and no using up more space on your phone than you have to. Applications, every application for anything you want the play store has. They have more applications than the windows store (can't think of what its call at the moment for some reason) and WAY less restrictive on what apps can be released than Apples app store. THEY EVEN HAVE AN APP THAT WILL TURN YOUR ANDROID INTO A WINDOWS 7 PHONE best one I've found is called Launcher 7. Reliability? I have an HTC evo 4g, and other than the crap battery life I now get out of my phone that is almost 3 years old, and this phone didn't have the greatest battery to begin with, It couldn't be more reliable. Sure when I get froggy and try to flash a Jellybean port, or CM nightly build onto it its kinda finicky but with stock, or even a custom rom for the phone it never gives me any issues. The s3 in particular doesn't have problems. Let me say that again, it doesn't have problems. It just works. If it doesn't just work its either 1. something on your phone is broken and 9 time out of 10 its user error, or 2. Something is going on with your carrrier. The only limitation I am aware of on the S3 is the fact that it will not allow you to take pictures and be on the phone at the same time. In which case Theres an APP for that (see above) FXcamera I think its call by passes your stock camera and allows you to now take pics and be on the phone at the same time.

Wow these reply is way longer than I wanted it to be, sorry about that

TL;DR Buy whatever phone feels good to you, but as far as androids being fragmented and confusing, not at all. SIII will do everything you want it to so then more. Best of luck

GeorgeL12

I couldn't get past touchwiz. Love android, hate touchwiz.

blorg

I don't fully get this to be honest. I had a Galaxy Nexus and now have a Note, and barely notice the difference. I don't use the stock launcher, so that leaves what, the notification area and the settings menu as different? And Samsung's notification toggles are actually useful.

bba170

Touchwiz and stock android really do have about the same feel. I guess it just comes down to if people really prefer a minimalist feel to their device, but the advantages of having all the utilities in the notification menu are undeniable. Also samsung did quite well with touchwiz nature in making it very light so that its flashyness doesn't hold back other utilities. I'm sure someone will come in here hating on sense soon :)

fudnip

It's as fragmented as windows PC's are...

[deleted]

This is a very flawed comparison for two reasons:

  • Windows PC's receive their updates from the same source: Microsoft. Google is not in charge of updating every Android device out there and thus there is absolutely no guarantee of having 1) the latest version of Android, 2) any security fixes, 3) any bug fixes or 4) basically any software support after purchase.
  • Manufacturers of Windows PC's don't mess around with WinAPI just to implement their own crapware additions to the OS. They are considered third-party software by the system equal with everything else you install. Compared to this Android's API's are like a wild west to manufacturers. Even though there is a compatibility test suite they still manage to break them in different, unpredictable ways while creating their UI overlays. This is real fun for developers.
Deusdies

It may be more fairly compared to Linux distributions. Since different linux distros have different update schedules, and lots of them change lots of stuff under the hood. I use linux personally and this is somewhat of an issue - Steam is about to be released, for example, but it will officially only support Ubuntu because of too many variables involved with other distros. Of course, people will still be able to install it on other distributions, but I think there'll be no official support.

Zathu

That's a neat comparison, except for when it comes to OS upgrades.

fudnip

Besides being able to pay for the latest OS with a windows PC there really is not much difference...If you buy a dell with windows 8 on it you don't get Windows 9 when i comes out.

niggwhut89

But you do get the service packs. And the security updates. None of that is guaranteed with Android, and, with many phones, it never happens.

Rogue_Toaster

If he gets a flagship device (and he says he is), updates won't be a problem... just slow.

niggwhut89

So, 'slow' isn't a problem?

FieldzSOOGood

If there is a security issue the android OEMs will update their phones if necessary.

sagnessagiel

More like to quash rooting.

fudnip

Those aren't guaranteed on windows either...you tend to get them but their is nothing that says they have to do it.

niggwhut89

So? When a security patch comes out for Windows, practically every machine running that version of Windows will receive it, no matter whih manufacturer you bought it from. When a patch or minor update comes out in Android, the vast majority of devices will never see it.

There's a big difference.

gerbs [OP]

They're too different things.

fudnip

Except they aren't that much different...very few things require the latest OS to run on either platform which is why XP just recently was passed by windows 7 as the most popular desktop OS.

gerbs [OP]

I can build and update my hardware as I see fit. I can drop Windows and install Linux. Also, if my computer breaks, I'm generally near someplace where I can fix it. If my phone won't boot and I'm trying to get directions to a job interview, I'm pretty SOL.

themapleboy

I can build and update my hardware as I see fit

Theoretically android IS open source so you can go ahead build your own device and compile a version for it. however just like with laptops sometimes it's just not feasible to build it yourself.

I can drop Windows and install Linux. Also, if my computer breaks, I'm generally near someplace where I can fix it. If my phone won't boot and I'm trying to get directions to a job interview, I'm pretty SOL.

this is why, the android community is making a push towards unlocked bootloaders. That allows you to boot into recovery and flash any fork you want (people have also managed to put things like windows xp on their phones, although since windows wasn't designed for the architecture its obviously not a real world solution ). I'm getting off topic

with a phone with an unlocked bootloader, software wise fragmentation is almost non existent thanks to the developer community.|

The gs3 is a beautiful device and you would enjoy it. however in my experience nothing compares to the nexus line and you'd be happier with the nexus 4 as its a more open device. Open means if/when you find something you don't like about your phone, you can change it and being any kind of technically literate it is a "real world" option.

The custom recoveries will allow you to make backups of your phone at regular intervals. Phone won't boot on the go? restore backup from last week and boot again in under 5 minutes. only real downside ive ever experienced doing this was lost text messages. (since those dont cloud sync yet). }

IMO Android is a mobile OS with a phone/sms built in not the other way around. It's all up to whether or not that sounds appealing to you.

gerbs [OP]

With the SIII selling for $550 to $700, couldn't I just buy that, turn and sell it, and then use the money to by the Nexus 4, turning a profit in the meantime?

themapleboy

Possibly, its a weird market with android phones. we have no real way of knowing if the release of the N4 (to the general public not this always sold out crap) will effect the price of the GS3. Who knows maybe everyone who owns one will want to sell and turn a quick profit thus driving down the price instead.

Natanael_L

SMS backup and restore with the Dropbox plugin and turn the schedule feature on.

fudnip

If your laptop died and you were using it to get directions to a job interview you'd be SOL too.

[deleted]

I can't speak to whether the S3 is the right phone for you but fragmentation is not going to prevent you from doing the things you intend to do with it. Especially because you've selected the most-widely sold flagship Android phone. Apps will be well-tested on it; it's not as if you're buying an $80 Polaroid tablet or whatever.

As a caution, "fragmentation" is just a negative way of expressing what makes Android great: Android allows developers to build apps for a very wide variety of devices and a good degree of backwards compatibility. And if you decide to ditch your Samsung phone for a Sony phone in two years all your old apps will still work.

gerbs [OP]

Even the fragmentation among iPad and iPhone apps is frustrating (I helps as director of digital media so I monitor the iPad and iPhone apps, and it seems like we need 40 different image sizes for just a background).

[deleted]

Sony phones are sexy.

[deleted]

But why do American carriers sell them only in black? It drives me mad, mad I tell you.

[deleted]

I know right! In europe and japan, you can get them in white, blue, and even pink. They also need to make cdma. I hate verizon, switching to at&t when my contact ends.

jamesey10

it is fragmented, but that wont stop you from being able to do anything you want on it.

U2_is_gay

Yes the SIII will do that as will most high end Android phones. The fragmentation becomes an issue when you get down to second tier devices.

panders2reddit

Yes.

mihametl

The S3 will do just fine for what you described. There's a reason for why it's one of the best selling android devices out there, it's probably the most well rounded experience and everything just plain works right out of the box.

[deleted]

There's an app on the play store called "uber music" it looks zune-like if you're interested.

tigerdactyl

If you're worried about fragmentation make sure that you get a Nexus device or a phone that you know you can easily root and update yourself via custom roms (Cyanogen, AOKP, or something like that will keep you current), I believe that the S3 falls under that category. You can't rely on the carriers/OEMs to update you.

[deleted]

Samsung is good about updates, although delayed a while at least they usually get a few updates

ForwardBias

I have an SIII and love it. Great working phone, pretty much zero problems with it so far. Though I did put Cyanogen 10 on it which may play into my satisfaction level. I don't want to overstate but that's been my experience. My biggest complaint by far is that the exterior is slippery, I wish it has a matte or rubbery finish instead (and I hate cases).

niksko

The SII is fine, but if you're looking for a slightly cheaper and older phone, just get a Galaxy Nexus. As long as you're fine with buying a phone off contract it is already two versions of Android ahead of the SII and it is only going to get further ahead.

bhell13

You'll be just fine. If my technophobic mother can happily use ~90% of her android's functionality, you have nothing to worry about. Don't believe the propaganda.

[deleted]

Newer versions of Android generally don't break compatibility (you can still use apps from Cupcake 1.5 on Jelly Bean 4.2), so getting the latest devices shouldn't give you any problems with the platform fragmentation. Getting a non-Nexus or anything that isn't a flagship will mean your phone will be most likely be incompatible with flashy new apps a year or two from now.

tl;dr you shouldn't have problems with platform fragmentation getting the GSIII. Getting the GSII you might be hitting the wall of incompatible apps a year or so sooner.

gerbs [OP]

Thanks. I never really followed the Android platform because for the past three years I've been focused on Windows Phone (I submitted my first app at platform launch). It seems like everyone is telling me to go N4, so I think I'm going to have to sell the GSIII in a few weeks and buy that when it becomes available again.

[deleted]

Most people here are Nexus fanboys. You should really try them both out and see which you like better. Head to a T-Mobile, Sprint, or AT&T store (N4 isn't on Verizon) and they'll probably have display units for both phones. Disclaimer: I would also go with the N4 over the GSIII, but YMMV.

[deleted]

I assume you're on Verizon?

gerbs [OP]

AT&T.

[deleted]

Why wouldn't you get the Nexus 4 then? It just came out and is a lot better.

[deleted]

Go and get the Nexus 4 they said. It'll be easy they said.

Seriously though I'm also one waiting for the Nexus 4 to get back in stock, it irks me having to wait but I am not letting the scalpers win (this includes TMobile, as far as I'm concerned) and neither should any of you

gerbs [OP]

They're all sold out and pretty expensive. $349. I'm already locked into a 2 year contract after upgrading my phone to the Lumia 920 2 weeks ago.

Lurk4Away

The phone is 350... full price, in comparison the s3 can be over 600... Freedom of carrier, development, latest updates, better screen, processing, unlocked, choice. I love the N4.

pkulak

If you're on contract than $349 is a hell of a lot cheaper than the $600 SIII! Besides, the SIII is fragmented, in the fact that it's already 2 major OS updates behind and who the hell knows how many behind it will be by the time Samsung and AT&T decide to grace you with an update. The Nexus 4 is not fragmented. You're going to start off with the latest and greatest that Google has to offer and you'll get iOS-like updates from now on. Just enjoy your new Lumia for a couple more weeks until you can get your hands on the Nexus 4.

OmegaVesko

$349 is actually extremely cheap, if you consider it's not carrier-subsidized. It's generally a confusing concept for people who've been buying phones on contract all their lives.

Think of it like this: If you buy the Nexus 4 from Google, you can go with any (GSM) carrier you want, on any contract you want. You're going to spend much, much less monthly with an unlocked phone.

gerbs [OP]

Upgrading my phone two weeks ago renewed my contract, so I don't have much of a choice.

danrant

You do have a choice. Move your SIM to Nexus 4 and sell your Lumia on eBay for $400+. You'll probably even have some extra cash in your pocket after everything is done.

OmegaVesko

Er, no offense, but why are you looking to buy a new phone two weeks after you've renewed your contract?

On the bright side, this basically means you have to buy an unlocked phone, which should make it very obvious how much cheaper the Nexus 4 is. Phones like the Galaxy S3 still go for $500+ unlocked.

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gerbs [OP]

Because there's a two week window when you can return the phone for a refund -restocking.

destromas

Sell your Lumia for cash and buy a used S3... If the Lumia has any resale value?

yetmorequestions

Serious question: Assuming you live in the US, could you point me towards these cheaper plans? My share of a Verizon family plan would be about $55. I'd love to use t-mobile's $30 plan, but 100 minutes isn't enough for me (or even 200 for $10 more). Everything else I've seen has crappy coverage, low data caps, or are >= $50/month. Could you point me towards these plans everyone keeps talking about that are so much cheaper?

[deleted]

Tmo's $30 and straight talk $45 are the cheapest.

hoboninja

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gerbs [OP]

The 920 was a nice phone. It was comfortable to use (though, after holding the GSIII, the thing is a brick), and Windows Phone 8 looks nice, but it's just not a "primetime ready" OS. I explain my reasoning here: http://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/13r0pi/help_me_decide_between_a_lumia_920_and_the_s3/c76i801 and here http://www.reddit.com/r/windowsphone/comments/13r0pi/help_me_decide_between_a_lumia_920_and_the_s3/c76msh4

[deleted]

$299/$349 is by far the cheapest smartphone you can get new. The price is one of the best parts. If you're already on contract, you aren't going to get a good smartphone unsubsidized for less.

[deleted]

Just get the Nexus. It's the best Android experience out there and the Galaxy SII is antiquated by now.

gerbs [OP]

I would love to, but the Nexus is completely sold out.

fsckit

Who told you it was confusing? Apple marketing?

getmoneygetpaid

The back button is one of the most used, but is still implemented inconsistently, even across Google's own apps.