13600K reaches 100C° during gaming. Can't figure out why.

Hey guys,

so I recently bought the new 13600K along with an MSI PRO Z690-A mainboard and a be quiet! Dark Rock 4 cooler. I've just assembled everything yesterday and in general, it works fine - until I ramp up the CPU load.

  • When idling, the CPU hovers around 50C°.
  • When gaming (Cyberpunk 2077 in this case), it quickly jumps up to 80 C° and as time goes on, reaches over 90C°. For a second, some of the p-cores may even touch 100C° before calming down again.
  • When stress-testing with Prime95, its 90C°+ immediately and would probably get worse if I didn't abort it after a couple of seconds.

The thing is, I'm not entirely sure why this is happening. I've taken care to apply a reasonable amount of the stock be quiet! thermal paste (cross-shaped) when assembling. After seeing the temps, I've taken off the cooler, cleaned it and applied a different thermal paste (Arctic MX-4), again making sure its a nice x with just the right amount of paste. But the temps haven't changed much. Cooler sits sturdy on the cpu as well, no wiggling.

All the fans do work and are pointing in the right directions (front towards back airflow). Taking off the side of the case seems to help a bit (though only maybe 3-5C°), so maybe I should look at improving the airflow further.

I've also since undervolted the CPU by 0.150v, which seems stable at the moment and cuts temps by about 10C° across the board. But it kinda feels like a bandaid to me.

So are these kind of temps normal or am I doing something wrong?

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Definitely sounds like a mounting issue to me, only way temps would get so out of control so fast. Double-check you're mounting it properly, and with enough pressure (but obviously don't go crazy with it).

NutellaGuyAU

This.

FracturedArmor

Double check your mount. Uneven amounts of torque on the screws could cause insufficient pressure over certain parts of the processor. If I remember correctly, the new 13th gens are a bit bigger than previous, so even mounting pressure might even be more of an issue.

This, or maybe you forgot to remove the sticker on the bottom. Happens to the best of us.

pilstrom

Did you remove the plastic on the cooler?

maksull

I did not and it definitely cools better without it. :D

pilstrom

Classic! At least you found the issue, congrats :)

Mvin [OP]

Thank you guys for all the helpful advice. Most of you seem to suspect a contact problem between the cooler and the CPU, so I'll definitely double-check that first.

In case I can't find anything wrong with the cooler, I was wondering about the default voltage and if the MSI bios perhaps goes overboard with it, given that its dynamic. But it seems far-fetched. What would even be the typical voltage of 13600K under load? CPU-Z indicated that it was above 1.4v while gaming. Is that too much?


Edit: Progress report

CPU cooler: So, I double-checked everything and the mounting seems fine. I've followed the process as shown here by be quiet! themselves and it sits nice and tight on the CPU and I think I've used an appropriate amount of thermal paste both times (made sure my X looked just like the X in one of the tutorial videos. Also its not the first time I've installed a CPU cooler and the temps were always good in the past). I am also positive that I removed the plastic sticker.

Case heat build-up: However, since last time I reported, I noticed that there was just an excessive amount of heat trapped around the CPU area of the case when I stuck my hand in there. I thought maybe the problem isn't so much that the heat isn't pulled out of the CPU by the cooler, but that its not pushed out of the case afterwards.

So I started thoroughly vacuuming my case and removed a lot of dust that had accumulated in and around the case fans. I've also set up manual fan curves with Fan Control and discovered that some of the case fans never went above 60% of their speed, so I corrected that. Additionally, I noticed that when running something like Cyberpunk, the 3080 pushes a lot of its heat out sideways, so I've gone ahead and just removed the dust filter in the side-panel of the case so it can be pushed out easier.

Testing: All in all, these measures seem to have made a noticeable difference, with temps during Cyberpunk now hovering around 80C° whereas before they were at least 10C° hotter (both stock bios settings). There's also no more heat build-up, which I'm quite happy with.

With Prime95, temps are still 90ish+C°, but I've noticed that the CPU pulls 190-200 Watts during the whole run, so I can kind of understand where the heat is coming from.

For everyday usage, I guess temps are fine-ish now, but I'll probably go ahead and either undervolt the CPU to something like 1.3v or limit the max wattage to perhaps 100W. Both seem to reduce heat dramatically while running stable and without affecting performance much.

Still not sure if the temps are completely normal, but at least its not a critical problem anymore.

sinafaxis

I'm interested in what kind of fan curve values you set? I checked mine recently and saw the mb was only going to give 100% to the CPU cooler once temps were 80⁰c, so I've lowered that to 70⁰c.

Mvin [OP]

The fan curve currently looks like this. I'm trying keeping it at 40% for as long as reasonably possible as I don't hear the cooler at all with that, then jump to 60% at 70C and progressively ramp the percentage up until it reaches 100% at 85C.

The cooler is definitely reacting more on the lazier side with that curve, but since the tempts don't really go above 80C even with Cyberpunk, it seems okay for now.

Areww

Make sure you removed the plastic off the cooler. Sounds obvious but it’s a common mistake

mrlazyboy

Not normal.

Make sure both of your fans are actually mounted the correct direction.

Make sure there is good contact between the cooler and the CPU IHS

Make sure the fan cables are plugged into CPU_FAN and not SYS_FAN. You should also be able to set the CPU_FAN curve in the BIOS.

Check all that and report back.

For reference, my 12700, when it sustains 155W during benchmarks, peaks around 90 C

erikwarm

When it is at 100C, is the fan just spinning or is it going full bore?

Do you use a fan curve, if so, just set it to 100% al the time to see if this improves the CPU temps.

Do you have an extra fan you can point at it to see if this lowers your temps?

If no improvement on all of the above then your cooler is not getting the correct contact to the CPU to remove the heat.

You can try pushing the cooler down on to the CPU during testing to see if this give an improvement. (Watch out that you don’t burn yourself

ctrltab2

As other have pointed out, sounds like a contact issue. Assuming nothing is wrong with the CPU cooler and the way you mounted the device, you might want to consider an aftermarket CPU Contact Frame for the LGA 1700.

tj21222

What AIO are you using and did you use the right standoffs for the mount on the cpu. The 1700 lga standoffs are a just a bit shorter then the other lga size (can’t remember lga 1100???, you know what mean) anyway the wrong size posts could cause your issue. Also take this in the correct way, but you can go heavy with the paste. I do t mean so much as it squirts out but you can put a good coating on it. I use an applicator to smooth over the entire cpu with a thing coating.

Mvin [OP]

Thanks for your input! I didn't know that the standoffs have different lengths, so that's an interesting point. I've double checked with the remaining cooler parts, but I definitely used the correct ones for the 1700 LGA mount. The other ones wouldn't work with the back screws (male vs. female).

In terms of thermal paste, I think the amount I used is fine and probably more on the generous side. I've also since posted an update about the situation here.

tj21222

Read your update. Sounds like your on your way to success. Any chance you can get a case fan installed to blow on the CPU cooler? I think that air flow is more important.
Best of luck to you.