Witnessed two mob justice incidents in one week — Cape Town is normalising something dangerous

This week I watched two separate incidents that I can’t stop thinking about.

The first was on Adderley Street. A man was surrounded and attacked by roughly 30 people. It was only the intervention of security guards that prevented what looked like it could have been a fatality.

The second was in Sea Point. A man came running through traffic being chased by a group. The driver in the car next to me opened his door deliberately as the man ran past, it hit him and he went flying. The crowd caught up and joined in beating him, shouting that he’d thrown rocks.

I’m not writing this to defend whoever these men were or what they may have done.

I’m writing this because both times, I watched ordinary people become something else entirely within seconds. No trial. No certainty. Just collective violence that felt, in the moment, like justice.

South Africa’s frustration with the criminal justice system is legitimate. Courts that feel toothless, a police force many communities don’t trust, repeat offenders back on the street. I understand the anger that builds from that.

But a crowd is never certain. The man running through traffic could have been innocent, mentally ill, or simply in the wrong place. Nobody stopped to ask.

People have been beaten to death in this city for stealing food.

I don’t think most people in those crowds think of themselves as violent. That’s what makes it dangerous, it doesn’t feel like violence when everyone around you is doing it.

Has anyone else been noticing this more frequently? Is this getting worse or am I just more aware of it?

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Kooijpolloi

When people dont have trust in the system they take it into their own hands. There is a decided gatvolness with crime at the moment. 

The blatant corruption of our criminal justice system, which sees hardened criminals with rape and murder charges be paroled or released after slap on the wrist sentences, has only compounded this fact.

It is going to become way more commonplace imo

pupperinpredicament

I‘ve worked in hospitals around SA and mob justice is very common in South Africa. You’re probably just noticing it because it’s happening in wealthy areas.

kalamity_kurt

I will say this - mob justice is the only thing that’s been effective in my neighbourhood.

I’m not saying it’s right. In fact, it’s pretty barbaric.

But when the police take 4+ hours to show up, and that’s if they even pick up the phone, unfortunately the public is eventually gonna take their safety into their own hands.

A sad state of affairs

anib

we're a violent society.

danjhbrist

We're a violent species

stellartoes

I agree with the generalized statement (like Smith cali g us a disease in the matrix), but looking at RSA stats vs rest of the world, we are particularly violent, and really hate women

Sea-Seesaw2950

We have the perfect blend of patriarchal colonial influences and … patriarchal indigenous influences.

WolfBourne15

Your social contract with your government is supposed to uphold the security of the public, but your police force can't manage the increasing demand of justice anymore.

Naturally the public will either accept the over spilling crime as a helpless victim, or they'll adopt the responsibility of serving justice themselves, if it's intended enforcement establishment starts normalizing being incapable of fulfilling the task.

Big-Revolution3842

Social contract also includes the perspective of the poor. Like if you've got nothing at all, government isn't giving you housing, food, opportunities, then why shouldn't you steal? They steal an iphone from a guy like me that's got insurance, it's an inconvenient but that guy gets to then buy food (or drugs) . If they get caught they get jail which is better than homelessness. If we design out society around the perspectives of rich people and neglect the poor there's no soical contract for them to follow to not nick things.

MisterLips123

You may be witness to it now but it's already normalised in much of the country.

Same-Satisfaction171

If you think Mob Justice is becoming normalised you've never been to the Townships thieves being beaten up is not a new thing

SLR_ZA

I remember a story from years ago when an uncle took his autistic nephew to a train station or taxi rank. The child started to perform and the crowd though he was being kidpanned, and beat the uncle to death.

Donkey_Rhythm

Tragic

suspekt33

Holy shit

Slight-Watercress-53

Sounds very similar to the 2022 murder of Abongile Mafalala.

BehindTheMindIAm

stuff like this is normal in the rural areas and even townships..while the person is usually caught in the act, I am still against it simply because of the brutality. Beat them to a pulp sure, but don't kill them. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Big-Revolution3842

Used to be common even in Durban town to and honestly makes the place safer. A guy tries to snatch something and whole crowd beats them. It's a signal to the rest of the crooks of what'll happen and it's unfotunately the only detterrent. Like what's the altenrative, they politely get caught and the police catches them and they sit in jail with meal and a blanket that's better than sleeping on the streets. If they're living in that type of poverty the actual think that will stop them stealing is either violence or lliterally knowing they won't get the drugs they want when they're being held in jail for a while.

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More-Championship625

I was suspicious until I got to the "no trial. No certainy. Just..." bit and then I was like, yup this is AI lol

MalemasMucusPlug

I just couldn't think of any Capetonian that could be arsed to go out in this weather, in Sea Point, to beat someone for "throwing rocks".

chikaca [OP]

Happened before the storm.

courageouspeaches

Why did i have to scroll so far to find someone who recognises machine writing

Sus-iety

You know these tools aren't accurate, right?

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snakeboyslim

true though it definitely has that LLM feel to it regardless

Transkei_Daisy

Lots of people put a rough draft into the LLM and then ask it to clean it up so that it reads better. Doesnt mean its all made up?

MalemasMucusPlug

If it reads like it's made up, does it read better?

Transkei_Daisy

I don't know how we could determine that its real or not? You can assume I guess?

I'm just pointing out that because something is flagged as AI written, doesnt mean its a made up story... it can just be used to improve the writing? I do it all the time for work..

Transkei_Daisy

You should see what it's like in the more rural areas... necklacing still happens.

Significant_Might304

Never thought I’d hear of in those areas… normally happens here in the township. I’ve seen a few, lost a cousin in this way.

Humans are still wild animals, we just happen to be able to reason…

stellartoes

Oh yeah, mob justice is a slippery slope. What happens if someone is falsely accused, or if the majority of the mob doesn't support LGBTQ

Legal system is there for a reason. If the mob wants to intervene, catch the dude and wait for authorities

(Yes I know RSA legal system is crap)

morbidmerve

to me, taking things into your own hands is good if you actually manage to hold the system accountable. but senseless mob justice is not the way. even if a man or woman is guilty, no one is entitled to get their way simply by shouting “guilty”. i support people’s frustratedness, but honestly we need to lead it in at least a constructive way.

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Saw a guy get beat up in CT station for allegedly stealing a cell phone. This was all while police officers and security guards stood around and watched it happen. This is a sad and crazy world.

Ho3n3r

I doubt any of these thugs even know what Reddit is.

iamMRmiagi

We need to introduce the concept of citizen's arrest in ZA. Mob justice has become the crutch a community relies on because nobody trusts SAPS to be effective...

Chippa24

But citizens arrest exists…

iamMRmiagi

ok maybe it does but do we educe people on appropriate use and encourage it.

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skaapjagter

People like you love spouting "communism" and "socialism" interchangeably, when in fact they are two very distinct and different ideologies.

Stop talking kak online.

Background-Dog554

You were making such a good point until you spewed that shit about going to Europe. Kak praatie man.

boneyfans

Meh. If the person was throwing rocks on the freeway then I'll turn a blind eye to mob justice.