Revamping the Quarantine Function
While Reddit has had a quarantine function for almost three years now, we have learned in the process. Today, we are updating our quarantining policy to reflect those learnings, including adding an appeals process where none existed before.
On a platform as open and diverse as Reddit, there will sometimes be communities that, while not prohibited by the Content Policy, average redditors may nevertheless find highly offensive or upsetting. In other cases, communities may be dedicated to promoting hoaxes (yes we used that word) that warrant additional scrutiny, as there are some things that are either verifiable or falsifiable and not seriously up for debate (eg, the Holocaust did happen and the number of people who died is well documented). In these circumstances, Reddit administrators may apply a quarantine.
The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context. We’ve also learned that quarantining a community may have a positive effect on the behavior of its subscribers by publicly signaling that there is a problem. This both forces subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivizes moderators to make changes.
Quarantined communities display a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing the content (similar to how the NSFW community warning works). Quarantined communities generate no revenue, do not appear in non-subscription-based feeds (eg Popular), and are not included in search or recommendations. Other restrictions, such as limits on community styling, crossposting, the share function, etc. may also be applied. Quarantined subreddits and their subscribers are still fully obliged to abide by Reddit’s Content Policy and remain subject to enforcement measures in cases of violation.
Moderators will be notified via modmail if their community has been placed in quarantine. To be removed from quarantine, subreddit moderators may present an appeal here. The appeal should include a detailed accounting of changes to community moderation practices. (Appropriate changes may vary from community to community and could include techniques such as adding more moderators, creating new rules, employing more aggressive auto-moderation tools, adjusting community styling, etc.) The appeal should also offer evidence of sustained, consistent enforcement of these changes over a period of at least one month, demonstrating meaningful reform of the community.
You can find more detailed information on the quarantine appeal and review process here.
This is another step in how we’re thinking about enforcement on Reddit and how we can best incentivize positive behavior. We’ll continue to review the impact of these techniques and what’s working (or not working), so that we can assess how to continue to evolve our policies. If you have any communities you’d like to report, tell us about it here and we’ll review. Please note that because of the high volume of reports received we can’t individually reply to every message, but a human will review each one.
Edit: Signing off now, thanks for all your questions!
Double edit: typo.
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landoflobsters [OP] 1,724 points · Sep 2018
Given the point of quarantine is to reduce exposure to offensive content, we thought that would defeat the purpose (and let’s be real, redditors who want to will make a list anyway). Nevertheless, due to the warning system, if you encounter a quarantined subreddit, you will know it.
justcool393 1,236 points · Sep 2018
For those who are curious, the /r/reclassified subreddit has been finding subreddits that are quarantined for a few years now.
For bot devs, whether a comment is part of a quarantined subreddit can be gotten with the
quarantineattribute.SchroedingersSphere 99 points · Sep 2018
Ahh, so that's what happened to /r/spacedicks. That sub used to be posted in comments everywhere.
Zombait 37 points · Sep 2018
Also, the famous redditor who ran it, /u/i_rape_cats, is no longer with us, so it's become far less visible.
broccolibadass 14 points · Sep 2018
What happened to them?
Kn0thingIsTerrible 23 points · Sep 2018
He manipulated reddit for personal financial gain. But not in a sanctioned manner like native advertising. He ran an actual fraudulent scheme and got caught.
DJDomTom 5 points · Sep 2018
Can you elaborate? Id rather not just... You know... Google his username
Kn0thingIsTerrible 5 points · Sep 2018
There’s not much else to it.
He was put in charge of a few subreddits and activities on the site, and he used it to secretly promote friends and brands for personal profit.
He got caught when he was put in charge of a contest, but gave the prize to his friend.
hasnotheardofcheese 30 points · Sep 2018
Rabies
broccolibadass 26 points · Sep 2018
What actually happened
[deleted] -21 points · Sep 2018
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Zombait 14 points · Sep 2018
He had difficulties with mental health.
broccolibadass 7 points · Sep 2018
Wait did he die? I thought he just stopped posting here
Zombait 9 points · Sep 2018
Unfortunately.
[deleted] 14 points · Sep 2018
He's raping cats in heaven now
aboutthednm 1 points · Sep 2018
Ah yes. The man was a quite wholesome fella.
TudorPotatoe 3 points · Sep 2018
What is spacedicks
tonnamonna 2 points · Sep 2018
r/CringeAnarchy was hit.
LymelightTO 46 points · Sep 2018
I'm actually not sure the API ever returns
trueto thequarantineattribute, even when a community actually is quarantined, for example with Ice_Poseidon:https://www.reddit.com/api/info.json?id=t5_3aelr
It seems to only ever return
nullorfalse.They've also essentially introduced a breaking change to about.json queries for a community that's quarantined too, because now it'll throw a 403 error:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ice_poseidon/about.json
justcool393 30 points · Sep 2018
You don't have access to that subreddit, and the breakage has always been a side effect of that. It'll work if you opt in, which you can do via the API. The endpoint is undocumented, but it is:
a POST to
/quarantinewith parameterssr(the subreddit name, not the fullname) andacceptset totrue.LymelightTO 7 points · Sep 2018
The problem with breaking that route is that, as far as I can tell, it's the only case insensitive way to query a subreddit by title, and then gather its reddit
nameproperty.If I'm given a new subreddit title/url, that I have no information about, and I'm asked to get it's reddit identifying
name(t5_whatever), and other data associated with it from the API... how do I do that?I'm not that arrogant, so I can totally believe that I may have just been consuming the API in what was an unsupported/technically incorrect manner until now, but is there a single query that gets me that information anymore? Do I have to use a search endpoint, now?
justcool393 7 points · Sep 2018
It is the subreddit name (not the t5 fullname) that you need. The same happens for private subreddits.
You can query the subreddit, look for quarantine or other such properties being null and then opt in and then re query.
LymelightTO 5 points · Sep 2018
The subreddit
nameproperty is that t5_ fullname, though I think it is or has been referred to as all of "id", "name" and "fullname" at various times and points. info.json has it queried as an "id", but the subreddit listing returns it as "name", and I've definitely heard "fullname" before.In any case, good point, I suppose I had overlooked the prior case of possibly private subreddits as well, so I can improve my existing check, and implement that procedure if it discovers it's 403-ed because of a quarantine.
Still worth noting the info.json issue that quarantine never responds
true.
Edit: I should note, I've just discovered that info.json does respond true if the user has explicitly accepted the quarantine, and null if the subreddit is quarantined, but the user has not accepted it.
justcool393 4 points · Sep 2018
That's what I mean by subreddit name in this instance. I mean /r/X without the "/r/," not the API name or what is commonly referred to as the "fullname" (which is the prefix + the base 36 ID).
goatcoat 197 points · Sep 2018
Reddit is a private site, and the owners can do whatever they please with it, regardless of what I think.
That said, I'd have much less of a personal problem with the quarantining system if there were an automatically maintained list of quarantined subreddits that doesn't rely on third parties and questionably effective web crawlers. I want to have some mechanism to discover what's being kept off my feed and to say either "yeah, good riddance" or "maybe this was unfairly classified and I should subscribe."
Fnhatic 23 points · Sep 2018
I would laugh my tits off if a Supreme Court decision came down and reinforced the logic behind Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins and applied it to websites with 'public access' that survive on user content.
FreeSpeechWarrior 8 points · Sep 2018
Good news then:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/15/17468854/jared-taylor-white-nationalist-alt-right-twitter-ban-lawsuit-ruling
Jared Taylor is suing Twitter in California for violation of CA's affirmative free speech rights in privately owned public spaces using Pruneyard as precedent. Do note this is only applicable in California, not general US law.
Gaenya 69 points · Sep 2018
I'm really surprised to see /r/Ice_Poseidon was just quarantined.
It's a toxic community, but not the type I'd consider quarantine-worthy.
PixelBlock 83 points · Sep 2018
It’s going to be interesting figuring out where the line is drawn. Apparently r/FullCommunism is hit too, and that was mostly just low effort satirising LSC last I checked.
h0nest_Bender 105 points · Sep 2018
The line is drawn at the point where it offends advertisers.
Cronus6 62 points · Sep 2018
uBlock Origin ftw.
Seriously, I've not seen an ad on this site in the 10 years I've been here.
AspergusNiger 21 points · Sep 2018
*adnauseum
dont just block it, poison the data they get off the retards as well
[deleted] 2 points · Sep 2018
Is there a way to use this without it notifying me I have debug plugins on or whatever every time I open chrome?
AspergusNiger 3 points · Sep 2018
chrome banned it from their store and disabled it from functioning
personally id suggest using a not shit browser but the damage it could do on chrome might be worth the extra irritation... how did you get it to even work btw?
[deleted] 1 points · Sep 2018
You can install it as a developer add on
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PixelBlock 3 points · Sep 2018
And it seems advertisers are offended only inasmuch as their customer’s could be.
Azonata 1 points · Sep 2018
Reddit has ads?
[deleted] 10 points · Sep 2018
Not only ads, but it's also littered with agendas and companies pushing them.
AxolotlsAreDangerous 41 points · Sep 2018
It wasn’t satire, the mods genuinely loved Stalin.
PixelBlock 27 points · Sep 2018
Well it says something when I thought it was supposed to be over the top parody.
AxolotlsAreDangerous 26 points · Sep 2018
That’s probably because a lot of the users were being genuinely ironic, I’ve seen loads of people say “I just unsubbed from r/FC after finding out it’s not all a joke”.
[deleted] 9 points · Sep 2018
If your looking for a unironic leftist meme subreddit that isn't filled with Stalinists check out r/completeanarchy
AxolotlsAreDangerous 1 points · Sep 2018
Already subbed, but thanks
[deleted] 1 points · Oct 2018
Bread!
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cosine83 5 points · Sep 2018
Poe's Law
Boreras -2 points · Sep 2018
Communists employ pseudo parody to recruit, just like daily stormer's ironic nazi's.
hasnotheardofcheese 12 points · Sep 2018
Tankies are completely indistinguishable from parody.
SandwichAuthorityGov -1 points · Sep 2018
And this warrants segregation?
AxolotlsAreDangerous 7 points · Sep 2018
Never said it did or didn’t, just pointed out it wasn’t satire as the above commenter thought
beearodeewye 21 points · Sep 2018
People don't understand memes, especially memes from niche communities so when those memes hit /r/all people complain & report instead of just filtering the subreddit.
whoeve 15 points · Sep 2018
Oh yeah the Cx crowd is totally just memes, there's nothing else sinister there! Honest!
elbowe21 10 points · Sep 2018
What the Cx crowd? Is it a twitch thing?
I thought it was an emoticon? Like xD
Spore2012 24 points · Sep 2018
Thats exactly why they dont. They are effecrively trying to censor/ban communities without actually doing so. They are trying to deflect the striesand effect. Which i think is bullshit tbh. Give everything a platform, let nature take its course with it.
odraencoded 19 points · Sep 2018
You might want to check what voat looks like before saying that.
shardikprime 2 points · Sep 2018
I'm almost afraid to ask but.. What happened?
odraencoded 8 points · Sep 2018
People got butthurt they weren't getting enough internet points so they decided to make their own reddit, with blackjack and hookers.
Behold: https://www.voat.co/
You only need to check the front page, honestly.
shardikprime 9 points · Sep 2018
Jesus fucking Chroist
Jegus fuck that frontpage is a Goldmine of shitstorm I mean GODDAMM
VisNihil 22 points · Sep 2018
That sounds like the most madeup bullshit self-wanky story I've ever heard.
Spore2012 1 points · Sep 2018
People dont realize that like 90% of the bullshit they read on forums is just trolls and shit writing for shits and giggles. They think its funny when people take them seriously and get triggered and angry. Thats the point. Its like when a brother keeps poking his sister and if she ignores it he gets bored and he stops. If she gets upset, guess what, he keeps poking her every day.
VisNihil 1 points · Sep 2018
I mean, that story is on Voat, so I think that was definitely more them making up a story that that audience would believe and see as supporting their views so they get upvotes and attention.
You can't really claim it's trolling unless the people who are the target can reasonably be expected to actually see it. Voat is just so up its own ass with "redpilled" morons that they eat that shit up. /pol/ spent so much time trolling that they forgot they weren't supposed to actually believe in all of the retarded shit they pretend to.
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TastyTacoN1nja 17 points · Sep 2018
Bakeries are private shops too
Chabranigdo 13 points · Sep 2018
That's different though, because reasons.
Natanael_L 2 points · Sep 2018
Different laws FYI
goatcoat 6 points · Sep 2018
I'm on the fence about the whole bakeries thing. I wouldn't want to be forced to bake a cake for a KKK meeting, so I'm inclined to support the general principle that bakers should be able to say "no" for whatever reason.
On the other hand, it used to be so bad that a black person couldn't even find a hotel while traveling through the south, and if we relax things too much we might get back to that point.
whacko_jacko 1 points · Jan 2019
The bakery owner offered to sell the couple a regular wedding cake, they just didn't want to make/design a custom same-sex themed wedding cake. They didn't really refuse them service. A KKK member can legally walk into a cake shop and buy a cake like anyone else, but I wouldn't expect the bakery owner to custom design a special KKK cake by request. The two levels of service are very different. Anything that requires artistic expression beyond the usual level of service should not be viewed as a public accommodation. Any customization should be entirely up to the discretion of the business owner.
The analogy with racial discrimination really doesn't hold up. We should expect a hotel to not discriminate, but they also shouldn't be expected to go above and beyond what they would do for anyone else. If a gay couple shows up at a hotel and wants to pay for a special gay-themed hotel room, the hotel should be under no obligation to honor their request. If the couple doesn't like the regular hotel rooms, they are free to ask another hotel for special accommodations.
Free speech in social media is a little different. We don't have a right to gay wedding cakes, but we do have a right to free speech. We also have a natural right to life and liberty. This basic human right is the basis for anti-discrimination laws like the Civil Rights Act. At some point, public accommodations became a necessity rather than a luxury. We live in a developed society and it is no longer possible for most people to make their own way and live off the land. Okay, a few people can manage it, but resources and space are too limited to accommodate our population without the organization of a developed society. Being forced to live without access to public accommodations means we suffer and probably die. Discrimination makes it possible for society to destroy the natural right to life and liberty. Even though the individual business are privately owned, they are part of a new paradigm of privatizing and monetizing the natural order and so basic access became a civil right.
Likewise, social media networks have become part of the new paradigm of privatizing and monetizing the public discourse. This is now so total and pervasive that other forms of speech are quickly becoming marginalized and obsolete. There is a strong argument to be made for viewing free speech in social media as a civil right. It's not the rights that have changed, it is the nature of speech that has changed. The social media companies may be privately owned, but allowing them to form a digital parallel society makes it possible for free speech rights to be effectively destroyed.
I think there is a strong argument for something like a Digital Rights Act. ISPs and hosting companies should only discriminate based on the amount of data being transmitted or stored, not by the type of data (with the possible exceptions of illegal material or malicious code). Likewise, any website that operates as a general forum should be neutral towards content (with the possible exceptions of illegal material or malicious code). Curated forums should still be fine as long as it's clear what the intent is. But if you advertise your company as the "frontpage of the internet", or something similar, then administrative curation should be entirely hands off (i.e. reserved only for illegal behavior). This kind of legislation would actually protect companies like Reddit from advertisers applying pressure for censorship of users.
Just because the public square is now digitized and privately owned does not change anything about our basic expectation of free expression. If a social media company doesn't like that, there is nothing forcing them to stay in the business of monetizing public speech.
goatcoat 1 points · Jan 2019
If there's no public square outside of private web sites, then that's a problem regardless of whether admins are permitted to police content because sites can do far more than delete posts or ban people for posting unpopular things. They can shadowban people, like Reddit used to do, or they can increase their level of sophistication and use AI to detect posts they don't like and show them less often on feeds even if it's highly upvoted or their algorithms would otherwise promote them, but that's hard to detect.
whacko_jacko 1 points · Jan 2019
Everything you say is true, but the point is to make that sort of activity illegal. Yes, it may be hard to detect, but conspiracy to violate Federal law is a serious crime and can be investigated by law enforcement. As it currently stands, everything you described is perfectly legal.
bullseyed723 2 points · Sep 2018
Same thing applies to ISPs, right?
Surely you aren't a hypocrite...
Natanael_L 10 points · Sep 2018
Infrastructure with natural monopoly vs a website
Steamships 6 points · Sep 2018
But when does one become the other? Why do we say, "Comcast shouldn't be allowed to control what ideas and information I'm allowed to access," but also, "Facebook is allowed to censor whatever news sites they want. It's a private company."?
Comcast has about a 20% market share among ISPs. Facebook has about 30% among social media sites.
If there were only two social media sites over which people communicated on the Internet, would it be acceptable for either of them to censor pro-socialist opinion? Pro-libertarian opinion?
Natanael_L 10 points · Sep 2018
When the website can't be easily replaced.
In areas with a monopoly, you have to move to get away from Comcast. You can leave Facebook with a click.
You often can't get service without Comcast. You have to accept their terms or just not use the internet. Everything Facebook does can be had elsewhere, no matter if Facebook wants you to stay with them or not.
MySpace used to be king. They faded. Facebook is already starting to fade. Why regulate websites that are often so short lived anyway, when their users can get rid of the problem anyway by going to another website?
There will never be only two social media sites.
whacko_jacko 1 points · Jan 2019
By this logic, the Civil Rights Act was unnecessary because you could always just go to another restaurant or hotel somewhere else in town if you are refused service. However, what happens if virtually all public-facing businesses in a community choose to discriminate against a certain type of person?
Likewise, what happens if virtually all major social media platforms choose to discriminate against a certain viewpoint? Do the people who hold those views really have freedom of speech when online speech is quickly becoming the only accepted way to communicate with the general society?
Natanael_L 1 points · Jan 2019
You're not fully understanding switching costs (just the travel can be costly), the available choices (nearest option might be in another city), etc.
There's not going to be such a thing online as being banned by literally everybody. There's always an option a click away, even if it means using a random web host in eastern Europe to deploy a forum site template.
In a small town, there's pressure on each store to participate in discrimination by the others. However, online it's easy enough to escape such pressure. Even if everybody hates your small group, it's cheap and easy enough to host your own. Given enough incentive for your own in-group to host your own, then eventually somebody will do so.
It's only getting easier by time to be independent online.
whacko_jacko 0 points · Jan 2019
Sure, and I can always go out back behind a restaurant and eat out of the garbage or sleep in the alley behind the hotel.
I grasp your argument that online independence is much more achievable than resource independence in the real world. However, not everyone is technically literate enough to even understand this is an option, and there is no IQ requirement on the first amendment. For people who think Facebook is literally the internet, your workarounds are meaningless. Moreover, you are substituting an inferior platform with smaller reach. You could say "so what?", but then again why not just sit in your room and talk to your walls? Nobody is limiting your free expression. But that's not how reasonable people look at freedom of speech. Nobody has to listen to you, but you have a reasonable expectation to be free to express yourself in a way that can be heard by other people. When a small number of social media platforms capture a very high percentage of the general public, that is a new paradigm no matter how many little forums we build.
Even in the deep south in the height of discrimination, there were usually a couple of shops/restaurants that would begrudgingly serve black people through the back door (frankly they had bigger concerns walking around town than where to eat). However, in principle, there was nothing stopping a community from completely discriminating against certain types of people, and this is a basic part of the argument for the Civil Rights Act. The argument for free speech in social media draws a parallel. Yes, there will always be a few places that will host unpopular views, but in principle there is nothing stopping collaborative discrimination across social media platforms. Plenty of people would even cheer it on as some kind of public service.
Natanael_L 2 points · Jan 2019
Your browser doesn't see a difference from the two.
Hence us tech nerds trying to educate people, and advocating for using federated and P2P protocols, and supporting development of self hosted services to make them better.
You're assuming everything will be isolated silos. With federated protocols you can communicate across servers. There's plenty of precedence, just see email. There's no stopping you from being heard if we can convince the masses to use clients and protocols that are independent of individual servers, and can is multiple sources and hubs and whatnot. Doesn't matter that most servers don't want your content when you have a million alternative paths to it.
Just look at stuff like Tor.
See above. If those platforms will be using clients that aren't tied to individual servers, this is just fine.
It's not just small communities anymore. You have the entire world connected over the internet, and you can find hosting anywhere.
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goatcoat 6 points · Sep 2018
I think ISPs should be regulated as utilities because there's no choice.
bullseyed723 2 points · Sep 2018
Right, and with reddit there are tons of equally viable alternatives like Voat, right?
goatcoat 2 points · Sep 2018
There isn't another site that exactly duplicates what Reddit does, but there are also no major barriers to entry like there are with ISPs.
If you want to start an ISP without using existing lines, you have to pay major construction costs.
If you want to start a Reddit alternative, you just spin up an EC2 instance and let it go. Your server costs scale with the resources you consume, which scale with users and traffic, which scale with ad revenue, so there are no serious money hurdles to clear.
bullseyed723 1 points · Sep 2018
Look up critical mass. You're very wrong.
There are towns that literally made their own ISPs. Over 750 and counting. https://archive.fo/6NYon
Most ISPs don't even lay their own line, just buy capacity from level 3 companies.
goatcoat 1 points · Sep 2018
I think you're confusing the questions "can a new site just come along and draw off Reddit's users?" with "if Reddit suddenly became way worse, would users jump ship?"
If Reddit keeps cruising along meeting most people's needs, it'll probably do fine and alternatives like Voat will get little traffic. But, if Reddit decided to limit users to ten comments per month, or to start charging a subscription to view content, users would go looking for another site even if it were hard to find or not so great.
Regarding municipal broadband, I think it's a great idea, but as the article you linked notes, ISPs are lobbying for state laws that prevent municipal broadband. Also, the really expensive part is last mile construction.
joedude 0 points · Sep 2018
Lol I remember Aaron Schwartz saying that.
essentialfloss 6 points · Sep 2018
Based on that list this charade is bullshit. /r/FULLCOMUNISM got quarantined?
LargeBlackNerd 3 points · Sep 2018
My favorite part about that is the list of ones that are surprisingly not quarantined
iBleeedorange 34 points · Sep 2018
Interesting subreddit, a lot of people defending some of the banned subreddits like the incel one.
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2SP00KY4ME -4 points · Sep 2018
Yeah generally people aren't complaining about being censored unless they're saying something awful enough for a private company to decide it's worth censoring. With that comes a lot of terrible people who will defend them. But it's my constitutional right to call my neighbor the n-word!
satsugene 4 points · Sep 2018
I don’t know that this is true, and there is a real risk that when systems of groups try to define and manage the line between “tasteful” and “controversial” or “civil” and “uncivil” that it merely becomes a tool for whichever group (or jurisdiction) is most powerful to silence whatever outliers it finds most objectionable.
Example: civil subreddits that discuss activities that may be illegal or life-threatening in some jurisdictions: such as harm-reduction drug information, efforts to organize peaceful protests, civil disobedience, adult content, etc.
Example: LSC and T_D, are both annoying to me in terms of content, community norms, and moderator bias; but I’m not at all confident that the those will be equated the tighter the quarantine gets.
-a-y 3 points · Sep 2018
All of the quarantined ones come up as removed or set to private when I try to see them
justcool393 5 points · Sep 2018
are you using the desktop version of reddit? it may be due to your app.
-a-y 2 points · Sep 2018
I’m on an iPhone
whacko_jacko 0 points · Jan 2019
For some reason you can only opt-in on the desktop site (which you can probably access through your mobile browser if you know how). Once you have opted in, the quarantined subreddit will be accessible even though your iPhone app.
Speaker4theRest 2 points · Sep 2018
Hey u/iamthatis I assume you know about this. But when I click on a classified sub. I get the spinning circle of death.
ToastedSoup 3 points · Sep 2018
Their top post has a list of quarantined subs as of today.
Here
exmachinalibertas 3 points · Sep 2018
Thank you for making me aware of /r/reclassified! It's very helpful! So of us don't need reddit nannying us to protect our fragile little eyes.
tamatarabama 1 points · Sep 2018
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