FAQ: Why WAS everyone mad about the Dark Cacao update?

In case you missed it, throughout the past few days in the Cookie Run community, Devsisters turned people piss and vinegar, trucks might have been involved, and Dark Cacao was at the center of it all

This was a post that I was writing during the whole debacle. During the writing, Devsisters announced that they would delay the update, then walked some of it back. In case you're curious what even happened in the first place, here's the write-up. I pulled it down after realizing we wouldn't need it anymore, but I'll put it back up here since so many people are confused

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Context

Normally when Devsisters wants to drag an old character back into relevance, they'll create a Magic Candy, which can enhance what the character already did, and can be leveled. This is a formula that was already figured out in the main series games. When it was brought over here, the idea was kept the same, except that characters in the Ancient/Legendary/Dragon rarity tiers (yeah, Devsisters sure likes their rarity tiers) would instead be given a Crystal Jam, which is basically the same thing. Alternatively, Devsisters might just buff the character directly by changing some numbers around or something. Then players don't even have to do anything.

Also, Cookie Run Kingdom is a pretty power-crept meta-heavy game. If you don't use the top-tiers, you'll be left in the dust. You can use your favorite characters, but if they're outdated, you'll probably just take a lot of L's. This isn't a game about creative teambuilding and player expression. Just follow the meta.

Enter Dark Cacao Cookie. When he was new, he was a pretty big deal, but at this point in time, he's basically useless. Standard lootbox game power creep. However, the rest of the characters in his rarity tier, the Ancients, have all had a second chance in the spotlight, except for him. They were doing some things with him in the story, which gave everyone reason to believe he was going to get a buff or a Crystal Jam or something. That way, players who had already built their Dark Cacao Cookie could let him see some more usage again, rewarding players for being long-time fans of the game.

The Rug Pull

Instead of giving him a Crystal Jam, Devsisters decided to sell Dark Cacao Cookie back to the players a second time. The character isn't getting buffed - instead, a second version of the character is being put out, and you have to roll / buy / build him all over again.

Creatively, there are times where playing this card makes sense. Cookie Run isn't the first game to do this. A recent example from another game that some people may be familiar with is in Honkai Star Rail, where soft-spoken dragon boy Dan Heng has two separate versions, a 4-star version and a 5-star version.

https://new.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/1655mbx/fyi_you_can_have_two_dan_heng_in_your_team/

So why was this received alright but Dark Cacao's Ancient+ version isn't? Well, here are a few differences (there may be more):

  • HSR's 4-stars are largely perceived to just be temporary placeholders (with a few exceptions. I know, Tingyun is strong, the healers are fine, etc). Meanwhile, Dark Cacao is one of The Ancients, the old main characters, of which there will only ever be five. Within the fiction of the universe, he's an extremely big deal, but in terms of combat, he's kind of bad.
  • The other ancients didn't get upsold back to players, so why does this one have to?
  • Both Dan Hengs can be used together. You probably wouldn't want to, but because you have the option, the original isn't an outdated worthless power crept benchwarmer. well actually the power balance in HSR isn't great but that's a separate conversation
  • Mihoyo (HSR's company) usually refuses to make changes to already-existing characters. Creatively, buffing already-existing characters is not in the cards, so making a Magic Candy or something isn't an option. They pretty much have to release a new form to bring Dan Hen back.
  • The range between these two characters releases was only 3 versions, so if you spent a lot of resources on the original, you could only get so burned. The gap between Dark Cacao and his new form is over a year long.
  • They're more different from each other. Without getting too into it, the second version of Dan Heng has a different role in the party, his element is changed, his playstyle is completely different, and there's a huge story about the awakening of his true form as a reincarnated dragon or something. The new version of Dark Cacao? Well, he's different, but he's not very different. He was already in the top rarity tier, so there isn't much room to grow... Well, unless they make A NEW RARITY TIER

Getting Dark Cacao Cookie (again)

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Dragon Lord Dark Cacao is considered Ancient+, which is one step above Ancient. Devsisters already makes too many "pick me" unnecessary rarity tiers. Sometimes these tiers don't even really convey how rare or how strong a character is to begin with. Are Ancients better than Legendaries? What about dragons? Or Beasts?

The Nether Gacha is something a lot of players are already familiar with. At 250 rolls, you're given a copy of the character for free. It doesn't matter if you already got them once here or not, if you did, you get another one. (Which actually makes it not a pity system, since you don't need to be in a pitiful position to get something) This whole thing is fine, if you play actively, you can get all 250 rolls without paying for anything.

He's also able to be found in \"Gacha of Fate\", which was dropped this update. It seems that rolls for this can only be found from clearing the recent content? I'll withhold judgment on this one for now

However, Dragon Lord Dark Cacao is restricted. You can ONLY find him in the nether-gacha or gacha of fate. You can't fall back on the copium that maybe you'll find him in standard or something (which admittedly does happen sometimes). If you're unlucky, this screen can feel pretty hopeless. Orrrr you can pay up...

Is Devsisters being greedy?

Considering that they're double-dipping despite the aforementioned Magic Candy formula showing how they don't need to do that, it can feel a little money-grubby.

And, like, I get it, the point of a company is to make money. Devsisters is, for better or for worse, expanding really fast, with r/CookieRunTOA dropping next month and Cookie Run Witch's Castle already out.

Imo, this game was already too big on the "consoom new product" mentality, with new content often revolving around the existence of a new character, who you'll need to get in order to progress.

Personally, I think it's unfair to ask so much money of your players when

The game runs terribly

https://preview.redd.it/bf8irlad2l7d1.jpg?width=633&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=788c5bc851ed9b88c891f6707af13a7dbe19231f

I don't think it's unreasonable to say that if you're going to sell people something, then it should at least work

Cookie Run Kingdom's performance has had a bunch of problems lately. To be honest, it was never great - you can tell when loading screens are static, but then the animation starts right before it finishes loading. But it seems like a step too far for people now. Lag spikes are worse, crashes are becoming more frequent, that sort of thing.

So now what?

People are mad enough to the point where they've started protesting. Unfortunately, Devsisters doesn't announce new things very far in advance, so there hasn't been much time to come up with an organized movement.

Korean players have decided to physically put a message outside of Devsisters' offices. They are apparently going to have this up for three days, with a message about how recent updates suck and there's no communication.

At the time of writing, the game's rating is 4.6 stars on Google Play and iOS. Maybe we'll see it drop?

If you want to help out, but you don't live in Korea, here are a few things you can do:

  • You could quit the game. It's never a great look when the people who have to watch over your community say this. But uh, that's too much an ask of some people, I get it, so you can also:
  • Leave a negative review. A game's rating is a huge factor in how people will judge it. If a game's rating suddenly drops by a large amount, the suits start to panic about it.
  • Don't support the game financially. The point of a company is to make money, so cut that off. Don't buy anything, but also, don't view in-game ads either. They make money from that.
  • Outrage. Make a huge fuss about it in public spaces. Bad PR has a tangible effect on these sorts of things. The official discorb, Twitter, maybe even here if you want (the mod team supports you.) Don't do anything that would get you banned from anywhere, but make sure it's clear to everyone that people are angry. Try to get in touch with community figureheads, YouTubers, that sort of thing.
  • Don't let up. Sometimes these sorts of things take a while to get results. The random individuals vs. the giant corporation is never an easy fight.

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Magmorix

To add a bit on to the comparison with Dan Heng, he is given to the player for free. And not unlocked through an event like Might of the Ancients. He’s unlocked during the tutorial. It’d be more like if we randomly got a Legebdary Wizard Cookie

RyanIrsyd08

We did got two for free. Still, I hope they give us at least one beast cookies for free when all of them/3 of them releases just like ancient cookies.

Legal_Jellyfish8460

we did!

RyanIrsyd08
willismebattlecats

i feel bad that you wrote all of this and no one has commented but wow, bravo

Edit: i think people saw it, nvm

Ineedsleep444

Right before the announcement of the new cookie, the rating on the App Store was 4.8. So seeing how it's gone down by .2 really does say a lot on how we feel about this. That's a lot of reviews

Oceanivox_X

Theres also the fact tht we JUST came out of a grindy nether gacha for MF so people werent excited to have to suffer through another one so soon too.

Express_Alfalfa_9725

Yep it’s like past nether where you in theory get them normally during the event , the nether gacha is the only way

Ihaveaname00

And you can't even get it as a F2P...

Axle_Attributes280

I'm f2p and I don't care about the update 

Ihaveaname00

Alright? I was just saying that you couldn't get MF as a F2P when the update first came out

-robynn

"can't even get it as a f2p" dark cacao's awaken is SO EASY to get I've never spent a penny and got it within like a week of starting the game y'all just like to complain about EVERYTHING.

Ihaveaname00

You are aware that this comment was made a year prior to yours, yes?

Ok-Representative745

I made the same comparison with HSR and CRK but you worded it much better; it’s never a surprise but definitely a let down when companies let their greed take over a project that thousands enjoy.

[deleted]

Very concise. Thank you!

angeyberry

Ngl, I think the biggest problem (minus optimization) is shareholders.

A couple months ago, Devsisters were included as one of the main features in a Google product. While I haven't been a diehard fan since getting into uni (~4 years), I've been a player since middle school. I've watched Devsisters go from a small team making silly stickers for Zine to releasing several large scale games. Seeing how profitable and marketable CR is as a franchise and as a money model, it's not far fetched to say some shareholders have gotten their grubby little hands on Devsisters.

I mean - in under 2 hours, the devs released a new plan for the update, changing Ancient+ to a rebranded Magic Candy and using the star system of Mystic Flour (so Ancients go up to 16 stars instead of the usual 10). That was released at around 7-8 PM for them. That's not something you plan and come up with on a whim so quickly.

I like to imagine that was the original plan, but it wasn't as profitable as reselling Dark Cacao. I mean, a LOT of new features are suddenly more expensive. Even the 1-4 dollar deals are having a price increase! In such a short amount of time? Something is going on in the background. It'd also explain why we're getting so many Legendaries and Ancients and Beasts back to back so quickly with little room for Epics - because you can convince someone to put more money down for the shiny new super powerful guy than the "you have to build" guy. Even if they're good on launch (hi fettucine my beloved).

I've seen it happen to so many small turned medium/large indie groups. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happening. Witch's Castle REEKS of shareholder influence; you don't wanna know how bad it was on launch. Pay to even play the damn thing, oh but it's free to download. Smells like a Wall Street nepo baby needs a new yacht.

Veshurik

Yeah, Witch's Castle was TERRIBLE on release to play. Surprisingly they changed it month after release, and now the game is easier to play freely...

And remember, there was also Brixity, and it became a total flop, unfortunately... No one even talk about this game now. At all. And I remember big plans of Devsisters for this game. Exclusive merch, ton of contests, etc...

w0ndrbredd

You get my upvote

RexWhiscash

there are NINE RARITIES IN COOKIE RUN KINGODM. WHAT????

there are HALF AS MANY IN CROB. COME TO CROB YALL

Ded0GG

Crob's been mostly f2p friendly so thats why I still stick with it to this day after 5 years, you can get like 10k gems and 1.5k rainbow cubes a week after the gold gem store update

RexWhiscash

And 13k crystals and 2k rainbow cubes if you do breakout regularly. This game is very ftp friendly

Urlocalgalacticqueen

i prefer kingdoms gameplay :cc

Mysterious_Key5971

Yeah this is true. Hsr players actually want 5* versions of already existing 4* like for example march 7th or Sampo, unlike crk where that kind of thing would not bialy work so well…

Ash11006

I don’t want to repeat any points I have seen others have make, so I’ll just say this. They already HAVE ways to make existing cookies more powerful. If they didn’t have the candies and jams, they would at least have an excuse. Also, in the crystal jams sneak peak post, they SPECIFICALLY STATE that it will be used for ancients, so you gotta tack on the “they already said they would” card there.

mieberry

To add onto the crashing thing: I used to be an ipad-only player. However, after the more recent updates, the game cannot stay open for longer than 10 minutes at a time, which is barely anything for a game that has unskippable guild fights, arena fights, new level fights, etc. I have now switched to google play games beta on my laptop, which mind you is just two years old, so almost brand new, and even on laptop it won't stay open more than 20-25 mins at a time. It's annoying at best and downright insufferable at worst. I have quit the game bc of this before, but I came back bc I do genuinely love the game. But because I am not used to playing on a computer, I now play a few times a week, when I used to play for almost an hour everyday on ipad. This game has serious optimization issues that they are refusing to solve. Even Genshin Impact runs better on both my ipad and my computer.

Veshurik

I heard theories that it can be linked to their inbuilt anti-cheat system that makes the game performs even worse on iOS devices.

rihamaro

That's basically the same problem that I'm encountering playing on Google Play Games Beta, but mine the game does crash, but it takes longer and usually the screen freezes a lot (and when the screen freezes, I have to reopen the game, I tried waiting for it to unfreeze, but it didn't). And I'm playing the game (that was designed for mobile devices) in a gaming notebook.

hellaohh

Bro the performance was among one of the reasons why I quit a year ago. It was already bad during the bts update, so with more updates coming out, its hard not to expect even worse crashing and lag issues 😭

rihamaro

I did something close to what you did, at first, when it started lagging, and, after a week, crashing on my cellphone, I asked a friend of mine if it happened to him as well, and he even showed to me that for him it didn't even lag, so I thought it was my device, and then I used Bluestacks on my notebook (a gaming notebook) at first, the game was perfect, no lag at all, but then it started crashing so much that I couldn't even PLAY the game, every 2 minutes it would crash. I gave up on CRK for like, 5 or 6 months, but then I upgraded my notebook, so I retried playing the game, even used Google Play Games Beta as an alternative to Bluestacks, but even with all these things, guess what? At first, nothing, but after a while, the game started freezing (and I had to reopen the game), and now it crashes as well, but at least, for me, now I can play, but I had to use a GAMING NOTEBOOK for a CELLPHONE GAME to work, and I even reduced graphics and effects so the game won't lag (for now). And about my friend, he is thinking that his cellphone sucks now and when I check on it, I see the game lagging constantly like mine before it started crashing. The only reason I haven't stopped playing it is because that's one of the few games that I can play with my friend, because my cellphone sucks (so I use my notebook to play) and he doesn't have a computer, so in order to have fun playing something together, I still play this game and I play, using Bluestacks(which I thought was the problem for the bad performance of the game), Project Sekai (just because he wanted me to play, but I don't like playing this game for hours), because with these games I can actually enjoy the evening playing games and not just talking with him, and because I like the game, and this game was one of the reasons that made me consider that friend my best friend, so it holds many nice memories.

Neon_Light_20

I can agree with you about "The Rug Pull" part

IMO, if Devsister want to bring "Alternative" version of old Cookies (like Dan Heng from HSR and some operator from Arknights), they must start with Cookies from low rarity first (Common, Rare, Epic), after players feel familiar with this feature, they will releasing Alternative version for high rarity Cookies (like Dark Cacao Cookie right now)

I'm was very excited for Dark Cacao Cookie alter but the fact that this decision from Devsister it's showing that the Devs is very greedy (I mean, all F2P players even can't reached 250 pulls in Mystic Flour Cookie banner (before Devsister announced withdraw the update) and her debut banner even not over yet), F2P players already suffered from grinding on Mystic Flour Cookie banner and now the Devs decided to bring Dark Cacao Cookie alter banner while most of players here even not familiar with the "Alternative" version of Cookie then how they can give us their ideas about "Alternative" Cookies?

P/s: "Ancient+" rarity name is make me piss of, why the Devs don't use "Awaken"? "Awaken" is more suitable than "Ancient+" so much ://

Silverrrmoon

This does a great job explaining the whole thing and what you can do about it/help! Good job!

JazzlikePirate9030

Omg thank you for pointing out the performance problem, the games keeps on crashing every 5 minutes and even turns my phone hot and the worse part is the phone turns even warmer than when I play Genshin 💀

QuickChargeII

Great Case Study man, this puts into perspectice why the community are pissed at what DevSisters are trying to push.

[deleted]

Greed, money, unfair probabilities, big company

Pearl-Crown

Yeah but cute cookie tho

totalimmoral
PrismFerret

I'm more upset about all the dialogue and pretty assets that are going to be scrapped, I really wanted to see his new gacha animation

Dmrau567

The stuff greed can cause. Even my family deals with constant greed issues.

dudeman2434

A well detailed explanation for the whole drama. Good job OP 👏

JealousOkra6136

People are so mad that the Korean fans boycotted devsisters

Nahidxz

great post!

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MODS PIN THIS 🙏🙏

Brancliff [OP]

Oh this comment is cute-- because uh, it's me, I am mods

I originally wanted to pin it but we can only pin two posts at a time. One is always going to be the megathread so I'm letting the other one be whatever the protest news is at the moment. Which, currently, is that the protest trucks have been parked outside Devsisters' office (lol)

[deleted]

LMAO

I'm so sorry, I didn't realise you were a mod haha.

That being said, I really hope this all blows over soon and devsis at least listens to the protesters. This is all getting too silly.

I wish them the best 🫡🫡

RathalosGamerGirl

WAIT DIDNT THEY SAY THEY DELAYED THE UPDATE AND CHANGIN SHIT?

orbeez-17

Yeah, someone posted that earlier from the discord i think

Horror-Courage6888

Yeah, I’m thinking the boycott part of this post is silly because of it. They’re listening to player feedback

Urlocalgalacticqueen

which sucks, but i suppose i understand now xD

RazzmatazzStandard32

This is extremely clear on the matter, thank you for updating and being a source of reliable information

MayaSone_

When even the mods gets involved, you know you’ve messed up BIG!!

Krusty_kevin

Hope they keep the Volition Gacha.

Helpful_Squirrel_909

I’m glad resisters fixed most of this I got him from normal Gacha and he kept his levels and stuff he’s also just ainchent not ainchent plus

SunflowerFeld

While this is reasonable for the time, a lot of these problems could just be solved by being patient and waiting (DC awakened moving to standard and featured)

Dear_Description_579

My game still crashes for no reason roughly every ten minutes.

ruffbnuuy

Wheezing to find this post when another 5* Dan Heng just dropped. Finally… an almost entire Dan Heng team plus Caelus. It’s nearing Fire Emblem Heroes tiers and I’m obsessed. Except with FEH you actually CAN clear everything with fav characters if you’re dedicated enough to building them. I’ve been playing CRK since drop and waiting for them to fix the meta issues, and yet 🤷‍♀️I’m glad it’s still just an issue in PVP, but it sucks when the rewards for PVP are SO good yet you get gatekept from them if you don’t have and build the current meta. (OR unless you’re lucky enough to work from home and run arena on every free refresh lol) Thank god for the hall of ancient heroes tbh

Naturemations_2025

So wait what ever happened with this, now that we're 1 year in the future? Where did the protest go? Is it still happening??

DigDismal2308

the protest is over bro

Naturemations_2025

Yeah, I know that. That's why I asked what ended up happening with it, because we're in the future now and it's over.

roomon4ire

i know this is over 1 year ago but it's funny to see the 4th point on the HSR section now that characters in the 3 main mihoyo games have received direct buffs

Fancy_Ask_8073

i see. (sips tea very sippingly) i joined crk in the update where choco drizzle and her sisters were in the thing against the teams and so was capascin and stuff so this doesnt affect me, but i see, i see... being part of the hsr and crk fandoms makes this very easy to understand... so before it was like dark cacao is one cookie, and his awakened is another but now its dark cacao and his awakened are the same cookie, but just soulprisms needed?

Craftykitty14

Reading this now I'm so confused and none of this makes sense lol. did everyone think we were gonna get another dark cacao on the cookie screen? looks like a lot of worries aged badly so that's good.

[deleted]

I was so confused on what was happening this put it beautifully thank you

guiltysailor

good post!! very straightforward :-)

6245stampycat

Thank you I really haven’t been paying attention this past week lol

Mark5ofjupiter

Neat write up. Thanks for your summarizing services.

WackyToastyWolf

Dang, what a great post ngl

BBDN

Great write up! And in Honkai Star Rail, the low rarity characters can all be used effectively. Its not meta heavy unless you want to 0 cycle MOC lol. Sure the 5 stars are typically stronger than their 4 Star role counterparts (like Boothill vs Sushang) but that doesn't mean 4 Star Sushang is useless. They don't get phased out so quickly.

Brancliff [OP]

Firefly:

  • Does fire damage
  • Self-healing
  • Can spend HP to restore her own energy
  • Self action-advance
  • Injects fire weakness
  • Deals additional break damage (even if the attack itself doesn't break)
  • Enhanced attack / skill
  • Increases weakness break efficiency
  • Gains damage reduction at lower HP
  • Cures all debuffs upon reaching full energy
  • Restores energy at the start of a fight

Hook:

  • Does fire damage
  • Can inflict burn without a break
omiimonster

What did the new dark cocoa have to do story wise?

Express_Alfalfa_9725

It’s his awakened form

honeyoons

this explained everything so well!!

Party_Lack_yoshies

MY POINT

Shipshewana

This is great! If you added some more context for people who know nothing about this game, this write up would be perfect for r/hobbydrama

Old_Mathematician948

The lag became significantly worse with the electricity element meta due to the huge number of particles and ticks. Black Lemonade's skill was better at freezing time than Timekeeper Cookie and Millennial Tree Cookie combined.

Palanseag_Vixen

Honestly, I don't get why they were so upset either like this happens in so many gacha games...

270kGold

Bro wrote a goddamn essay mannn

Lunatic-impiegato

Sorry they will make a 10 seconds tiktok video just for you

[deleted]

To be fair not everyone on Reddit is a "Redditor" some of us just use it for basic questions about X or Y and that's it, not the whole mega hyper fan database reading chart professional.

Like seriously I just use it for basic things

[deleted]

Reading is a basic thing

[deleted]

Sure I play the game but I'm not the type that's going to spend this amount of time on it

[deleted]

this is a literal FAQ Post on the current situation

you did have the time to comment and read tho

[deleted]

Yeah

[deleted]

Yes

Urlocalgalacticqueen

you do know if you encourage people to quit, they could well lose the whole game, right? If a certain amount of people quit, and it stops bringing in money, they will have to shut down the game since it has no purpose.

Brancliff [OP]

If the game goes under, the reflection should be on the company and its suits as to why it was a business failure. It's not the players' job to pay for developer salaries and server upkeep, it's Devsisters' job to make a game you want to spend money on

Urlocalgalacticqueen

yeah fair