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Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 9 Discussion (Anime Only)

56 points · submitted Dec 2018 by u/defan752

Episode 9: Nobleman's Responsibilities

貴族の責務

THIS IS AN ANIME-ONLY THREAD. LIGHT NOVEL READERS SHOULD DISCUSS HERE.

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Episode 8 - Swordsman's Pride

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Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 9 Discussion (Anime Only)

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[deleted] 98 points · Dec 2018

Stay Cool ;D

emil_jacob_2000 30 points · Dec 2018 · Yumiko

That's this sub's motto and one of its rules apparently (which was used way before this episode).

[deleted] 4 points · Dec 2018

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Jackski 1 points · Dec 2018

it does indeed.

death556 78 points · Dec 2018

So was she basically asking him to marry her?

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death556 21 points · Dec 2018

I think I got the gist of it. I just wasnt 100% sure cause they were trying really hard to not just say "marry me"

kacoret 31 points · Dec 2018 · Alice

She clearly mentioned about getting a husband after graduating, so...

death556 19 points · Dec 2018

Thought that maybe she just wanted him to maybe look after her and make sure she got a decent husband and not just outright ask him to be her husband. I mean isn’t his heart set on Alice or are they friend zoned?

BleedingUranium 35 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

Eugeo's heart is set on Alice... but he hasn't seen her since they were 11, which was seven years ago, and they don't even know if she's still alive.

And, deep down, Eugeo knows this too, which is part of why he feels conflicted here.

monkeymacman 10 points · Dec 2018 · Yuna

Is it actually a romantic thing between him and Alice or has that been established yet?

BleedingUranium 23 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

I mean... it's hard to say. They were separated when they were 11, which could certainly amount to a crush on Eugeo's part (but that's about it), and then he went through most of his teenage years (where it actually could have been romantic) without her, but always thinking about her, which would unavoidably reshape his memory and feelings as well.

 

This only just occured to me, but I actually feel Sugu's confused feelings for Kazuto during his time trapped in SAO are an extremely good comparison here. Alice was like a sister to him, but... was she? Maybe she was more? Maybe she sort of became more as time past and also he grew up? Really, at this point "Alice" is more of an idea than a person, in a sense.

It's all kind of a mess and Eugeo himself probably couldn't even answer this with a straight yes or no.

monkeymacman 8 points · Dec 2018 · Yuna

Well, that's the reason why she was talking about how if he placed high enough if the placement exam or whatever it's possible for him to be appointed as a noble, because as a noble herself she would have to marry another noble (which she talked about before that)

death556 8 points · Dec 2018

Yeah. Connecting all the dots, it makes perfect sense.

Yaj_95 6 points · Dec 2018

I think this is the promise he couldn't keep, I mean I feel it is one sided, and he would just do it out of obligation, or promise. I think if that happens he would just convince her parents to let her marry as she wishes.

StornZ 10 points · Dec 2018

Yes. She's clearly doing it for advantageous reasons. She doesn't want someone rapey as a husband and Eugeo would never do that from what she can see.

Stonehack 3 points · Dec 2018

Given that they don't marry for love at all this is the best chance she has to get someone nice.

Vindicare605 5 points · Dec 2018 · Klein

You mean to tell me that not only do we have another male character but that said main character is actually desirable to women and not just Kirito?

Man, SAO haters must be so upset that they lost two things that they love to rant about.

Meltedsteelbeam 67 points · Dec 2018

I can definitely see why people are saying she’s best girl.

I have to though say I really like Eugeo's character.

[deleted] 48 points · Dec 2018

The ending was great. I love how the ending credits song synced perfectly, little details like this make SAO my favorite anime by far.

felink_21 6 points · Dec 2018

It was beautiful. The direction of the scene was incredible!

BulliIshtar 80 points · Dec 2018

Eugeo: Look at me, Kirito.

I'm the harem protagonist now.

I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but why couldn't Humbert just kick a puppy instead? I don't like where this is going. Please tell me that this will all culminate to Humbert killing a dog instead of where I think this is going. Why can't this just be Kirito's Bizarre Adventure. He already has a Stand, 「MORNING WOOD」. Asuna has her Stand from the movie too. I swear if they pull this shit a third time...

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VGJunky 9 points · Dec 2018

Isn't the point of Anime Only discussion to avoid hints like this from people that know what's going to happen?

[deleted] 14 points · Dec 2018

You would think, but the LN readers can’t help but spoil anime-onlys here, even though they have a dedicated discussion post. It’s physically impossible for them.

Truegreyrose 4 points · Dec 2018

That’s disgustingly selfish tbh

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Yaj_95 1 points · Dec 2018

I couldn't agree more. I hate him more than Marrine from grancrest lol

BulliIshtar 1 points · Dec 2018

To the point where I'd actually like him more if he brutally slaughtered innocent puppies instead?

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miriichuu18 2 points · Dec 2018

Rule 10? I have no clue what that is. But I take that you understand what I’m saying why Humbert is so hateable.

BulliIshtar 4 points · Dec 2018

Rule 10 of this sub, "Stay cool."

It's just not going to be possible.

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BulliIshtar 11 points · Dec 2018

I'm going to put this on record if what I think is going to happen happens.

The Taboo Index is stupid and whoever designed it is stupid.

Ryuuji_Gremory 9 points · Dec 2018 · Asuna

Well we already saw pretty obviously that the Taboo index probably isn't really just made to make sure people live a happy and peaceful life.

Look at what happened to Alice, though Eugeo believes she is still alive, as far as we know she was sentenced to death in accordance with the Taboo Index for literally stumbling into restricted territory, a death sentence for an unintentional act that harmed no one, that kind of law can't be based on wanting to make people happy.

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[deleted] 7 points · Dec 2018

You have just violated the Taboo Index. Say goodbye to your friends and family.

Spockies 5 points · Dec 2018

Sir, Integrity Knights are here. Open up!

Yaj_95 2 points · Dec 2018

This is a gold SAO meme! lol

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Fastblizzard 1 points · Dec 2018

Probably yes...

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TryingToBeNice2U 31 points · Dec 2018

The yawn from kirito correlating to the fox yawning caught me off guard

Estova 18 points · Dec 2018

"Man that's a loud ass f-- oh."

[deleted] 1 points · Dec 2018

I know right? That really had me for a second

rowenarrow 32 points · Dec 2018

What was up with the Kirito voice change about the errand?

plsdonthurtmi 51 points · Dec 2018 · Lux

Probably to cement the impression that he was blatantly lying to Eugeo.

fatalystic 11 points · Dec 2018

He was trying to make whatever he "had to do" sound important, in the vain hope that he'll be able to get out of having to go to the picnic.

[deleted] 2 points · Dec 2018

I took at as he was about to say "stay cool" in a joking way but Eugeo interrupted him before he could.

Crimsonavenger2000 26 points · Dec 2018

Wow I really didn't expect that proposal part. I really like Tiese so far

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Phantom108mw3 24 points · Dec 2018

I have a very bad feeling about next episode. The end was too lighthearted for the contents of this episode which leads me to think that Eugeo will surely become suffer-kun next week 😬

killertortilla 12 points · Dec 2018

Without a doubt he's going to have a fight, nearly lose and then "find" his sword power and win.

AlphaGaming2006 1 points · Dec 2018

That would make sense but lets us anticipate what's to come next

L3onskii 1 points · Dec 2018

I feel like what Kirito said earlier after the confrontation is going to happen. About trying to force Eugeo to say that they're breaking the rules. And when it comes out that they didn't, they could use it as slander and inflict some sort of punishment on him

IntegrityKnight 46 points · Dec 2018

That scene with Tiese at the end made me cry. That was absolutely beautiful and a great way to end this episode!

rTurtle54 17 points · Dec 2018

Username checks out

Lagiacrus111 3 points · Dec 2018

Username checks out

niks071047 1 points · Dec 2018

wat is diz

killertortilla 21 points · Dec 2018

Hey you wanna have a seat on my fuckin MASSIVE ASS BED?

Seriously it goes off screen

[deleted] 6 points · Dec 2018

Seriously though wtf is up with that bed?

kh_levi 15 points · Dec 2018 · Kirito

You're such a Tiese

sgchase88 12 points · Dec 2018

I am not Caught up on the manga, but at the actually gonna do the bob 5 with Sinon or is it only gonna be focused on the underworld the whole season?

BleedingUranium 11 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

No, the GGO scene simply served to set up future Alicization stuff (much later, like "after Ep24" later).

sgchase88 3 points · Dec 2018

Ok thanks

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_johnning 6 points · Dec 2018

That was my initial hitch as well, but Tiese seemed very genuine as the episode went on

lamty101 16 points · Dec 2018 · Kirito

I wonder what will the English dub for "stay cool" look like. It will be quite strange that Eugeo have completely no idea what "stay" "cool" means, while speaking perfect English in the dub.

Same thing for spells like "System call" "Generate luminous element" etc.

The whole idea is that Kirito and the audience understand some English as an occasionally used foreign language or a computer language but the UW residents doesn't. After all, one main theme of alicization is that the underworld is a constructed virtual world but the residents have never think about that. The idea works for Chinese dub, French dub, Russian dub etc., but sadly, not in English only.

Pand3mix 18 points · Dec 2018

I mean, if you were to go back to medieval times and say "Wassup fam, how you doin" or "Stay cool bro", they wouldn't understand shit would they? I think the whole scenario still fits with english dub

seitaer13 4 points · Dec 2018 · Strongest Player of 2020

The same as it was with "Death Gun". The significance will be lost.

Vindicare605 3 points · Dec 2018 · Klein

I was wondering on this too. What would be great is if they flipped it on its head and used Japanese words and phrases instead. Other anime have done that.

jeanmax123 5 points · Dec 2018

Can someone tell me which chapter of the light novel do I begin reading to follow what happened after episode 9?

Fastblizzard 3 points · Dec 2018

Volume 11 Chapter 4 (page 65 on YenPress version)

jeanmax123 1 points · Dec 2018

Many thanks

Sendmepupperpics 14 points · Dec 2018

Why does this show continue to base plot elements on sexual assault? It is easily the worst part of the show in every season to the point where it's impossible to look past.

I hate when people throw around the blanket statement that SAO is garbage, but lazy writing like this is why they say it. It is possible to have a bad guy that isn't a sadistic sicko.

seitaer13 13 points · Dec 2018 · Strongest Player of 2020

I agree with the sexual assault, that's a road Kawahara goes down far too often.

However you're selling these characters short. This episode presented a class divide as being a real issue in the Underworld. With the upper nobles contempt at those lower than them and the ability to commit evil acts in a supposedly utopia casing a dark spot in a world where you can't break any rules.

BleedingUranium 5 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

It is possible to have a bad guy that isn't a sadistic sicko.

Are you saying that bad guys who torture and murder people aren't also that?

Sendmepupperpics 4 points · Dec 2018

I'm saying the bad guys in SAO are 1-dimensional and lazy. They're bad people because the plot needs a reason for Kirito to get upset, not because their character has any reason to be. There are many reasons for someone to do bad things without going back to the well of trash motivations that was Fairy Dance's Suguo.

Of course it's possible to have a sadistic sicko as a villain and have it work. The joker is probably the most famous villain of all time, and that's exactly what he is. The bratty nobles are not on that level.

BleedingUranium 3 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

Then you're not paying attention to them or trying to analyze them as people, simple as that. Raios and Humbert are very well-characterized people, and their actions and motivations make sense for who they are and their background.

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monkeymacman 2 points · Dec 2018 · Yuna

Well, it's not like it's really the writers of the anime's fault, seeing as it's based on light novels/mangas which I would assume probably have the same in it which is why it's in the anime.

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Panders0_0 3 points · Dec 2018

I haven’t read any LN or anything but when Tiese was introduced I really thought about Asuna and the thought of how there was another (excuse me for not completely remembering the name) spirit dive machine not being used but if I was on track at all didn’t Tiese Just ask Eugeo to marry her if he gets a high enough rank and that would mean Asuna doesn’t love Kirito anymore

Side note: I’m not deep into the sao life but I have watch all the anime -multiple times- but I haven’t watched the movies or read any LN stuff but I really just want to see Kirito and Asuna like live normally for a moment and actually get the feeling of -even after all the stress is gone and no more fighting they still love each other and this is how they live- type stuff

LMK ur thoughts

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felink_21 3 points · Dec 2018

This ep made me love Tiese and Eugeo S2!

Admiral_Kevin 3 points · Dec 2018

Amazing episode. Looking forward to next week! New waifu coming for Eugeo. 😏

TheCherryPi 7 points · Dec 2018

In this episode even people who know sword fighting only from Star Wars can see how no one in sao universe knows what the fuck they are doing with the swords

BleedingUranium 8 points · Dec 2018 · Argo's Guide

What do you mean?

StornZ 1 points · Dec 2018

Probably these fancy ass moves they're all trying to pull. Star Wars with the prequel trilogy was a bunch of twirling lightsabers.

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seitaer13 4 points · Dec 2018 · Strongest Player of 2020

Sword fighting in this universe does not work like real life.

ogie850 6 points · Dec 2018

I rarely comment, Im a little slow and miss things, so I have a question. Why is there a military type academy and weapons? The Taboo Index has only ever been broken once, so why, I don't understand. Thank you for any help.

I_Love_Alice 22 points · Dec 2018 · Quinella's Mural Composer

Swordsmanship is more of a regal "sport" as far as the Zakkaria tournament and sword academy goes. That's why those practicing swordsmanship have flashy weapons and fighting styles; it's all for more visual asthetic rather than functionality.

As far as the academy goes, it's not so much "military" as it is "formal," but I'd assume it operates in that manner because most of the sword academy is populated by nobility or other people of notable class.

As far as weapons go, Integrity Knights (whom top students eventually become) fight against evil forces in the Dark Territories. Naturally there will be powerful weapons present.

gsimenas 5 points · Dec 2018

whom top students eventually become

Correction: have a chance of becoming. They still have to compete with various knights for the honour. Only a very few actually make it that far.

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ogie850 1 points · Dec 2018

Thanks, the last paragraph answers what I missed. Again, ありげとう

JorgedeGoias 3 points · Dec 2018

What’s with the Ge?

Echoes0faShadow 3 points · Dec 2018

Should be が

Fastblizzard 2 points · Dec 2018

Also Tiese mentioned in this episode, when a war breaks out the nobles have to take the swird and fight.

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danktonium 2 points · Dec 2018

This episode was exceedingly bland, and not very good. Not an episode I intend to watch again on any future viewings.

monstergeek 2 points · Dec 2018

Couldn't the student go to the teachers when she was asked to strip and wash the other student?

xCymbidium 2 points · Dec 2018

What light novel volume is this?

kacoret 2 points · Dec 2018 · Alice

Early part of volume 11

xCymbidium 2 points · Dec 2018

Thanks!

CrimsonKingXIII 2 points · Dec 2018 · Chrome Disaster

Well I both dislike and like where the next episode is heading. I like it because I believe Kirito and Eugeo will finally get to take down those two scum bag nobles, but I dislike that the nobles are probably going to be doing something even more scummy than they already are. Also given the title of the next episode, I fully expect someone to be breaking the Taboo Index.

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