Rockwall VATRE Passed and I'm Genuinely Shocked

I have zero faith in the citizens of Rockwall to pass anything that would help public education. If you live here - or hell, even if you don't - you'd understand this sentiment. The school district's approach of telling parents what they would lose and need to pay for if the VATRE didn't pass was a brilliant tactic to show what reality is like behind the doors of the schools. The fact this proposition passed is nothing short of a "Lake Pointe Miracle."

The school district has seen a mass exodus of talented teachers because of the lack of funding the schools receive from its tax payers. They have had to resort to hiring unqualified teachers - yes, those who didn't pass teachers' exams - to fill spots because they're that desperate. Hopefully this proposition will turn things around.

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tacoscholar

To be fair, every district has seen a mass exodus of talented, experienced teachers. It’s partially funding, it’s mostly culture.

diptripflip

I’m sitting in my classroom (in another DFW district) looking for jobs. I always thought it would be the kids that pushed me over the edge, but it’s the district and the 10 million things they expect me to do with no resources and not enough time. I’m over it.

fivemagicks [OP]

I really don't think you understand how things are out here considering last year every adjacent district to us passed propositions to help their school districts. Rockwall maintains it MAGA, Christian Nationalist, anti-tax, anti-public education stance. It was only when the district took the smart route - the scorched earth approach - that the bill passed.

Just the next day - today - my wife told me on Rockwallian (Facebook) that there are already people trying to ban together to bring a lawsuit against the district. I can't even make this shit up. Who would want to work in a school district where the parents are actively lobbying against them?

tacoscholar

I’m on your side here, and am a former teacher of 16 years (2 years out). The culture I mention is exactly what you’re describing, where educators have become pariahs and public education is seen as a “grooming” tool. Teachers have always been underpaid (though to the extent as they currently are), but the work load that’s been added and the culture shift of bad parenting, and targeting of the industry for political points is what’s really made the job difficult.

Wayfaring_Limey

My ex has been a teacher for 10 years and in that time society has changed from “My kid is failing, what am I doing wrong as a parent.” To “My kid is failing, what are you as a teacher doing wrong?”

Add on all the shenanigans and additional setbacks and problems from kids not having reliable education and structure during lockdowns and JFC.

fivemagicks [OP]

Christ. So what do you do now?

tacoscholar

Instructional Design

fivemagicks [OP]

I hope you enjoy it and aren't exposed to political shenanigans anymore!

Daiiga

The rockwallian is a plague run by a social media grifter who makes tons of money off engagement baiting internet busybodies and can barely be trusted as an accurate source of community sentiment. That being said, between the Rockwallian and the mega churches the people in the area are constantly whipped into a far-right frenzy that makes logic… difficult…

My parents live in Rockwall and I’m sure I’ll be hearing about this passing for weeks…

fivemagicks [OP]

I don't have any social media besides Reddit. I just get to look at what my wife shows me there. It's mind boggling what people will say there with their name and face attached. 😂

Empress_Clementine

Yeah, the teachers don’t really care about “more funding” when 90% of it is going towards administration that makes their jobs more difficult anyway.

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fivemagicks [OP]

Thankfully both of my kiddos are top notch students. The drawback is my youngest (13) is very bored even in all honors classes. He gets hundreds in everything. Thankfully, he does programming and other shenanigans in his spare time (aside from the usual Roblox / Fortnite).

I can only imagine how much lower these kids' IQs will sink if they're closer to the bottom 50%.

samuraimegas

Get him programming on Roblox. I know a guy who's living off the games he made.

fivemagicks [OP]

He does, for sure. His issue is attention span as is most children these days. He will finish developing a game and want to do something else.

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4DogNight1313

This approach is no different than my MSN from Georgetown. Most important classes one time a week, 100+ slide power point decks with recorded lectures to supplement, email the professor if you have questions because you'll never get through a 100 slide deck in a two hour class.

Wild-Ad-2721

Apples and oranges dude. Public high schools don’t have the endowment Georgetown does. You email a capable professor and have access to useful resources. My kids watch a video produced by a team of magats and ask a teacher that has to mentally strain in order to drool.

4DogNight1313

*Dudette.

You missed my point, dude but carry on. Salary isn't the only problem here. Teachers still aren't going to get paid enough to deal with the shit they do. Highly doubt this "minimal increase" is going to do diddly squat to attract quality teachers but best of luck to you.

Huisache

To quote Kel, ""I'm a dude, he's a dude, she's a dude, we're all dudes!"

4DogNight1313

The best, lol. I don't care being called dude either way :)

Wild-Ad-2721

My apologies, dudette. And I agree the funding won’t do squat. I’m just processing my overall hopelessness and wish you the best.

4DogNight1313

It's all good my friend. I empathize with your frustration. I don't have kids and I'm so glad that I don't. I can't imagine the whiplash of everything on top of parenting and raising good humans in a world of what seem to be shitty parents.

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tturedditor

I almost moved out there pre trump. So glad I didn't.

fivemagicks [OP]

My wife is definitely regretting it. She moved out here years ago (well before MAGA) to be closer to her parents, and the environment doesn't cater to a brilliant, self-made woman like her. We're looking to move at the end of the next school year.

eyeloveeyez

Try to rise above them! You have to keep telling yourself that you belong, even in a sea of red. Sincerely, a blue dot who understands ♥️

faithcharmandpixdust

What up, fellow non-MAGA Rockwallians?! Glad to see I’m not alone here

fivemagicks [OP]

There's a small group of us cackling in our wish-we-had basements.

trogdor2594

There's dozens of us! Dozens!

RoleFirst5274

Add me to the list! Another non-magat regretting living here and just biding time till my kids graduate (they dont want to move) to get out.

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faithcharmandpixdust

Same; my kids are 2 ½ & 1 month so I’ve got a long time

TheDakestTimeline

Will never not up vote an Arrested Development reference

Fun_Assumption6543

Can we start a club?

independant_786

Yea same! We are in the same boat as y'all :(

BadGolferDallas

It’s crazy how concentrated MAGA is out there. My parents live out there and their neighbors were still rocking Trump signs and flags until he blocked the Epstein list… caught the guy out taking down his stuff at almost midnight as I left their house. I rolled down my window as I drove by and gave a loud laugh.

fivemagicks [OP]

To emphasize your point - and this is public, obviously - check out a kid's room in a house for sale in our hood. I mean, I don't even need to describe the lunacy.

https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/74ce87ba1f154c216f51920ccc712cbc-uncropped_scaled_within_1344_1008.webp

A child!

BadGolferDallas

Omg!!!! That’s crazy.

fivemagicks [OP]

Just brings me back to when I read 1984 and how children really abuse and push radical ideas. They don't have the maturity to understand how ignorant things like this really are.

BadGolferDallas

Absolutely.

Tiolazz66

And that kid wasn’t “groomed”! Yeah right.

faithcharmandpixdust

There’s a house down the street from me that still has their “Veterans for Trump” sign outside

TrustHucks

My wife and I have considered moving to Argentina (where she's from) after our kids are all out of school.

Snobolski

Now's a great time to move there, what with Trump sending them boat loads of cash.

Weird_Still178

My bestie just moved herself and her kids to Argentina, from OakCliff. They all love it down there. I can't wait to be able to go visit them.

4DogNight1313

The lights are on but not ones home out here.

As a resident of Rockwall county - I'm not shocked. They overwhelmingly voted for a president who dismantled the department of education but voted to raise our property taxes to fund the VATRE.

gr0uchyMofo

$238B for a 4,500 person organization charged to execute 4 mission areas. A lot of money for what?

ocultada

Shhh don't ask logical questions.

KingOfNothing_85

Between this and Greenville finally getting their bond passed it was a good night for public schools in the area.

OutrageousQuantity12

I almost broke the voting machine from pressing “against” so hard on the ISD tax increases last year. It was dumb fucking spending, football stadium expansion and paying for roof maintenance that should’ve been budgeted for in the original building bonds. It would’ve raised my taxes by a few grand.

I voted yes for the VATRE because it was a super small tax increase that is earmarked like 90% at least for teachers and sped funding. I’m paying like $350 extra in property taxes from it and it helps the district offer competitive salaries.

Very different proposals, and it shows in the results

fivemagicks [OP]

So, the bill last year would've helped in several other areas including teacher's pay, repairing old and defunct climate control units, to name a couple. My sister-in-law is a teacher in the district, so I'm attuned to what effects it had.

I really can't imagine what would've happened if this proposition didn't pass.

OutrageousQuantity12

The helpful things in bill last year were overshadowed and ultimately doomed by the dog shit bond requests I referenced earlier.

As evidenced by this year’s vote, if you just put reasonable teacher pay and SPED funding by itself, it wins by 10 points at the polls, which is a giant win considering the majority boomer (who believe they shouldn’t pay school tax at all since they don’t have kids currently in school) population of Rockwall.

fivemagicks [OP]

Fair point, however, the Boomers wouldn't take a tax increase. They're protected due to their age.

I also don't feel bad for them for choosing to live in a suburb focused on raising children. That's a choice they decide to make. Zero state income tax and relatively low sales tax. Where will the state get their money? Well, home ownership is the place.

Fun_Assumption6543

Except the stadium needs major repairs which is actively harming student opportunities across multiple disciplines. It wasn’t about expansion, it was about maintenance.

gr0uchyMofo

I’ve been to the stadium multiple times this year. What major repairs? If the district wasn’t vague about this maybe they would approve of this.

Fun_Assumption6543

They weren’t vague. It was explained in the bond last year. The biggest issue is the video screen doesn’t work and the sound system is borked. Lost opportunities for CCA students studying video and media. And apparently the choirs can’t sing at the games like they used to until the sound system is fixed.

OutrageousQuantity12

That’s crazy they wanted 9 figures for a new screen and audio repairs

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Huisache

They learned their lesson from last year. I think in 2024 they assumed people would automatically approve any education spending. There was very little information out there last year.

Paring down to only the VATRE and putting the message out there on positive (funding) and negative (tax impact) was much better compared to the previous version.

OutrageousQuantity12

Yup, people saw 9 figure tax increases for the county with 4 digit personal increases, which included a football stadium upgrade (the current one already seats like 20k lol) and maintenance that should’ve been budgeted already, and said “oh hell no”.

This years was spending only for teachers and SPED, and had a personal tax increase of less than a thousand dollars if your house is less than $1million, at which point a $1,000 increase on your taxes isn’t a big financial burden.

dumbledore_effyeah

I lived in Los Angeles county out in California for a couple years, and I was always blown away by how AMAZING the facilities were for schools there. I couldn’t imagine spending that much tax money on a fancy campus. I brought it up to a kid who had just graduated and he said “well, if you want people to come buy million dollar homes, you’ve gotta build billion dollar schools”.

Obviously the math is hyperbolic there but I think about that every time I vote YES on school funding. It’s an investment. Not just in education to make a better society, it’s literally an investment into my home equity. When I sell someday, I want to attract the wealthiest buyers. And no wealthy home buyer’s going to send their kids to some podunk school with busted roofs.

PopeDubbie

We pay sooooooo much in property taxes for these schools already. Get rid of bloated administrator pay if anything.

OutrageousQuantity12

With the VATRE, we’re still paying 32 cents less per $100 than we were in 2016. Also still the third lowest school taxes rate in the metroplex. On top of that we are paying $1,820 less per student than Mesquite and $301 less per student than Garland.

PopeDubbie

Don’t care about any of those points. Already paying $12k per year in property taxes. all I get is roads and cops and traffic lights for $12k a year.

Fun_Assumption6543

Rockwall has some of the lowest admin pay in the state. Try again.

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leftnode

I live in Rockwall and own four houses and non-ag-exempt acreage here. I pay plenty in taxes, but I voted for it (both times). All my kids attend RISD, and I want the city to continue to grow and remain competitive.

I had a feeling it was going to pass. In my neighborhood, I saw many "Vote Yes" signs in the lawns of people I know are very conservative. The "Vote Yes" signs outnumbered the "Vote No" signs 10-1, easily.

gr0uchyMofo

In my neighborhood, many Yes’s and parents in my child’s school, social and sports groups all voting yes.

independant_786

I think what worked was higher non voters from the other side. Presidential elections brings a lot of them out hence it failed then. But i am glad it passed this time

fivemagicks [OP]

That probably happened, as well. I think the scare tactics brought people out from the weeds. "Fear" and "loss" are pretty powerful emotions. Unfortunately, I've found you really can't take a positive approach with folks out here. "This will benefit X, Y, and Z." Nope. Gotta do the opposite.

independant_786

Yea true especially when it comes to education. The boomers here are absolute sad pos

fivemagicks [OP]

Considering their taxes aren't affected - it's a law - it just blows my mind. The ignorance of these old, angry White people just knows no bounds.

No_Ad_4709

With the property tax amendments passing statewide, will county residents even notice a change in their taxes? Seems like a solid trade-off, less money going to the state, more going to the local school districts.

fivemagicks [OP]

If you saw how people spoke around here, you might understand why your breath of reason wouldn't click with them. 😂 But yes, the impact on taxes was basically negligible.

TX_Ghostie

Unfortunately it also means less funding coming from the state to school districts. One little bump up.. several bump downs. You’re seeing the defunding of public schools in real time.

shitp0stspectacular

What is a lake pointe miracle?

fivemagicks [OP]

Lake Pointe is a MAGA church out here. I was just poking fun at it.

Snobolski

The school district has seen a mass exodus of talented teachers because of the lack of funding the schools receive from its tax payers.

That "lack of funding" is what the majority of Rockwall County voters want, so ...

fivemagicks [OP]

Oh, I'm aware 😂

Leader_Bud

All of this is by design in TX. The destruction and resegregation is the goal.

fivemagicks [OP]

It's very interesting, for sure. Looking at it from a non-emotional lens (definitely difficult), it's really a way to push the middle, lower-middle, and poor classes into poverty or strictly unskilled labor positions boosting the rich who would be able to afford education.

Conseqeuntly, it would only end up increasing homelessness and violent crime in the long run pushing the cycle of blaming people of color for the rise in violent crimes. That would then increase the racial divide in this country even further.

Leader_Bud

These are the same people that remember the 50’s with fond memories. We’ll have to figure out if that means the 1850’s or the 1950’s.

Open_Advantage_6477

As someone who just graduated high school I think it’s very important that we pay the teachers. God knows they aren’t getting paid enough.

justplainndaveCGN

What’s VATRE? I’m in Garland.

fivemagicks [OP]

It was a local proposition here to raise taxes minimally while really helping out the school district - especially paying teachers more money. The biggest impact would be had it not passed. That's what drew the voters out of the weeds.

CutIcy4160

I bet your voter turnout was next to nothing.

fivemagicks [OP]

Through the vine I saw it was 25%. I don't know how accurate that is.

gr0uchyMofo

25.79% turn out.

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gr0uchyMofo

Rockwall Election website says there are 88,000 registered voters in the county. 22,695 voted. Source

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fivemagicks [OP]

Um... What?

StrengthFew9197

What? Your comment is gibberish.

bad_syntax

The whole country has seen a max exodus of "talented" teachers. I put talented in quotes, because better countries require masters degrees and stuff and their teachers are far better. At least based on our rankings of education quality in the world.

But all that being said, there are times I'm really happy I do not have to pay property taxes :D (100% disabled veteran exemption in Texas, the only reason I still live here).

fivemagicks [OP]

I understand it's a country issue. You're preaching to the choir. I just thought I'd bring up something local since elections were held yesterday and, well, it's Rockwall. IYKYK.

dapinkpunk

What an odd take. Happy you don't have to contribute to schools and emergency services? Thanks for your service, but .... ew.

SpecialistGrouchy341

OP, you say the taxpayers out in rockwall are “very anti-public education.” Where are they going? And if that’s true, why did Rockwall and Heath just open 9th grade campuses in the last couple of years?

fivemagicks [OP]

Rockwall votes overwhelmingly in favor of Greg Abbott and Trump - two people who want to dismantle the foundation of public education. These families want their cake and to eat it, too. They want problems fixed but don't want to fund the efforts. That's just not how it works.

The 9th grade facility was a complete necessity. There were simply too many kids to be able to fit into the high schools to be able to accommodate four full grades (9-12).

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