Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 7 Discussion (Light Novel Reader)

Episode 7: Swordcraft Academy

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Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 7 Discussion (Light Novel Reader)

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Don7Quijote

"the fact you haven't gotten yourself into trouble in a year until now is a miracle by itself." Classic Kirito and Eugeo at their best.

Liena sempai is very pretty

The Night sky sword is even prettier though😁

Those two, how I hate those two, even as much as Sugou.

Ksaraf23

Not surprising, since they sure seem to take after him!

dark77638

Liena senpai is so gorgiousssss, at least A1 gave us flash back abt Gigar cedas, zekkaria and Sadore shop ( Where is Charlotte!!!!) - So Volo is really saw Kirito’s multiple hit skill ( im not quite sure reading LN) - Also Sword of the Night Sky, really beautiful! - hopefully we got to see Tiese and Ronye next episode

plusikplus

At this point of the timeline Kirito still can't fully harness the power of the seed. Imagination and belief are powerful tools, he can potentially cast two handed weapon skills but he needs to go full orange eyes overdrive for that.

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SaintNeos

That's obviously the effect of his subconscious Incarnation affecting your perception of him on your mind, of course XD!

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SaintNeos

Well, that's another episode to enjoy once again :3

At this point, we all already knew how they were essentially gonna skip Zakkaria, so we can leave that aside. We should be grateful we got those mini-shots of their tournament fights at least, I guess...and one of the farmer-twins, which I remember someone around was complaining we wouldn't get to see XD!

On the episode itself, I truly loved once again how the ambient of the Underworld keeps being shown so much more, but, of course, the main focus goes to Liena-sempai. The anime managed to make her even more beautiful <3 And that scene of her with her hair down was just a treat :D

And we can't forget the reveal of the Night Sky Sword. My Gods, that blade is just so...beautiful isn't the word, it surpasses it in a much more deeper and amazing way. Looking forward to its most epic scenes...for good and bad OxO

Kirito being Kirito was just something else to enjoy, as always, be it during sparring, in his touching talk with Eugeo or during his part with Uolo. Especially there at the end, of course, seeing Liena's worried face while Eugeo's own went just "Goddammit, Kirito..." was just the fucking best XD

Next time, one epic fight! Let's make sure to enjoy it, everyone!

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SaintNeos

We're NOT READY for when vol14's ending gets animated...

Don7Quijote

I think we'll never be

BleedingUranium

"...who's voice, I wonder?" over a black screen is one of my most anticipated moments of Alicization.

SaintNeos

Not mine, because I will probably have already been crying over 10 minutes before that....

S5AurA

I'm nowhere near ready for that.. Nowhere near at all..

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SaintNeos

LOL, the skipped bits are certainly getting to most of us, eh XP?

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IamDuyi

The sword in the anime kinda reminds of the legendary 2hander "Twilight" in gw2

Ksaraf23

He definitely has Asuna-level understanding of Kirito, since he's spent even more time with him than she has!

RaggedAngel

Eugeo new best girl?

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BI4ze

MUST PROTECT THIS SMILE

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xRuneRocker

*pledge to protect

Smokemantra

Wow, this episode felt incredibly short.

Sortiliena looks cute and all but I remember she was described as more of a mature, stern beauty than she was portrayed, I think it's her eyes that make her look sweet. Uolo looks crappier and seems less serious than in the novel imo. Azurika had nothing special to her character like in the novel, she was treated as total filler.

I don't like them skipping things but honestly that was the most skippable bit of this section of the story. I also don't like how they cut things like Azurika telling Kirito he has the sword's memories or Kirito's thoughts about her, and Kirito's thought of how Liena might feel insulted that he gets to fight Uolo this easily but then finding out she's only worried about him. Sadly, that's what anime adaptations do.

The translation I watched felt off, like the words used were acceptable but they're different from how I've read the novels so it bugged me.

They'll reach Cardinal by the end of the season (not my favourite thought but it's reasonable, considering how much stuff happens in volumes 12-14 and they probably want to adapt those 3 volumes in season 2), which would require Kirito and Eugeo to go through the Uolo fight, Kirito's garden scene, Liena's graduation (next ep probably ends around here), Eugeo's duel with Humbert, meeting Ronye and Tieze, the whole Frenica situation and commiting their crimes, be taken to prison, break out and then fight Eldrie and that's not counting the interlude in volume 11, it feels like a lot for 5 episodes. They'll surely skip more stuff and I don't like that, but I hope it's not too much.

BleedingUranium

Azurika had nothing special to her character like in the novel, she was treated as total filler.

That's not really fair, we just haven't gotten to her really awesome little line before Alice takes Kirito and Eugeo away. Also, she's cute.

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Ksaraf23

Absolutely! The scenes with Cardinal DEFINATELY have to be good to make the rest of the arc be top tier quality!

IABJordan

Aw fuck, it’s Humbert and Raios.

ToysInTheAttik

Hopefully the skipped scenes translate into more Tieze/Ronye screentime.

Xyloqhonic

Ah, a man of culture i see

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Xyloqhonic

Ahahaha that's great! mind if i steal that?

furosuto81

I can’t stop you :-) Someone else would have done it eventually anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

plusikplus

They already showed the two A holes so its very likely we will get the PG-13 version of that scene. They can't possibly skip it unless they do another 2 years time skip... A very important plot development happens there and i don't believe skipping it is even an option.

MrFatPlum

I dont even know about PG-13, SAO has never really shied away from portraying those kinds of scenes pretty graphically. Its gonna be a harrowing scene either way, I'm actually a little nervous to see how they do it.

fatalystic

I'm just worried there'll be a bunch of people going FUCK THIS ALO SHIT AGAIN when it comes around. =.=

I'll probably skip checking the r/anime thread when it airs.

Ksaraf23

It being a PG-13 won't do much to detract from the horror of that scene!

OneMillionRoses

I just love how Eugeo is always the voice of reason but knows how useless this is because Kirito is still going to always do what he wants xD

Destroyer29042904

I wanted to see the fight so bad ;-;

Zerokira1000

Ahh

And why it's not change into Running already in the OP ?

Running is almost over.

BleedingUranium

Because they're not going to split it how the novels happened to split it, they're clearly going to split it by larger sub-arcs.

I'm expecting four "sub-arcs" for the anime, and we should switch to the second one somewhere around the Alice reveal, likely "Uniting".

Zee09

Surprised to see so many positive comments. When this new season started I had my hopes high since there was so much material to work with. I would imagine they would be able to pace the show quite well. The first few episodes were done great but then I started noticing the typical SAO pacing issues.

This last episode demonstrates exactly what went wrong in previous seasons.

- They skipped Zakkaria. I kind of expected it and appreciated the flashback but why not explore it? We waited years for this and will appreciate every detail. Even the time they spent on the farm, those types of mini stories really connect the viewers with the characters.

- They should have spent 5-7 episodes on the Sword Academy alone. So much promise here with such good material. I feel like the Sword academy will be maybe 3 episodes max which will be rushed

- The return of Alice won't have that much of a impact on viewers. Looks like she is going to appear in episode 9 or 10 and I feel like this should have been paced at a speed in which Alice would return around 25-30.

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I'd imagine they climb the whole damn tower in like 3 episodes and face the Admin.

Ryuuji_Gremory

The return of Alice won't have that much of a impact on viewers. Looks like she is going to appear in episode 9 or 10 and I feel like this should have been paced at a speed in which Alice would return around 25-30.

You aren't good at pacing thing then, if Alice where to make her first appearance in at the start of the 3rd cour that would mean they would have to put the remaining 7 1/3 volumes into less then 2 cours that would be a clusterfuck.

The reason they cut out Zakkaria is that they don't have enough time to take their time with everything so they looked for the most skippable part and Zakkaria was that, yes the world building would have been nice to have and Charlotte's introduction is important but it's possible to more or less remedy that if they do it right.

wind--

Unfortunately this kind of pacing skipped the the entire relationship buildup between Kirito and Eugeo and when 'that moment' happens after Quinella, it won't have much impact on the viewers.

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kacoret

After Episode 6, I'm convinced myself to let my expectations away and this really nice to follow.

I really enjoying myself for this episode, pace wise and storytelling wise it is very nice though the 2 years skip bothered me in a funny way. I'm screaming when Sortiliena-senpai first appeared, she is just as gorgeous as I imagined! Her and Kirito spar scene animation is smoothly executed and the hope of its quality will sustain until the end of cours 4 is very much alive.

To the annoying part of Raious and Humbert, although their screentime was short but still gives me annoyed feeling. I suppose it is naturally understandable XD

My biggest smile dropped when The Black One sword finally made its appearance and Liz should've talked to Sadore next time she's forging a sword! But yeah, have to wait for next week for the duel with Volo-senpai.

This episode so far nicely done, and I'm looking forward to Episode 8!

SaintNeos

and Liz should've talked to Sadore next time she's forging a sword!

...why did reading that bring a stupidly hilarious image to my head XD?

Liz: Kirito! Yo-you're cheating on me with other blacksmiths?! I-I thought we had something special! I-I will tell Asuna!

Kirito:(Hiding the NS Sword behind his back) N-no, Liz, please, I had no choice! WAIT!

XD

kacoret

I could imagine Liz being furious XD

SaintNeos

And then there is Sadore in the back, utterly confused :P

BruisedBananaOni

This makes me wonder how Liz will react to the blade in the eventual game verse adaptation? XD Just imagine both of them working on the blade :D (though Liz's pride as a blacksmith might get in the way of that potentially)

SaintNeos

Hmm, who knows? We will have to wait and see.

AwkwrdPrtMskrt

Did I expect them to skip Zakkaria? Yes.

Am I bothered? Not too much. At least not enough to raise a hoo-ha. At least they gave it a flashback.

I_Love_Alice

I think they did it enough justice by explaining it was a tournament that got them into the Academy, as well as showing the final bits of each of the boy's fights (We never got to see Eugeo's in the books at all, either). Seeing the tournament fleshed out in Chapter 3 is a great read, but the details of the tournament aren't very pertinent to Alicization's main plot. I also feel that a flashback was the right choice.

As I've expressed before, my only concern about missing Zakkaria in detail is that we didn't see Charlotte's introduction as a result. I am curious to see how Ono weaves her into the story, now that we've missed the original window in chapter 3. Personally, Charlotte observing the boys can be written in almost anywhere, so I have faith that Ono will handle her character well, just as he's handled everything else.

BleedingUranium

For a visual medium as we have here, it would make the most sense to introduce Charlotte right before Cardinal's appearance, as IIRC she guides Kirito into the door to the library.

This would drop a confusing thing to the audience at the point they should actually be thinking about it (as with the flashback to getting the branch being a flashback where it was actually relevant), and then have Cardinal introduce her, and have a brief set of flashbacks from Charlotte's perspective over the course of their journey.

 

Trying to put her in now would be very messy, and even if they somehow managed it, it would only be introducing confusion and a point of intrigue that the audience does not need to be thinking about right now.

I_Love_Alice

have a brief set of flashbacks from Charlotte's perspective over the course of their journey

Ohh, great point. I totally agree with this now that you bring it up. It's probably the best way to introduce her, rather than being cryptic for like 6 episodes or whatever it will amount to. Who knows, maybe we'll see more of Zakkaria through Charlotte's eyes.

BleedingUranium

They should do a bonus OVA that's told entirely from Charlotte's perspective, in first person. :D

Spockies

Unfortunately, I can't see ALL of Charlotte's actions being displayed as a flashback. Her manipulations with the tourney draw would be seen as "pulling stuff out the ass" for the sake of putting her in the story at this point. Hell, even today's episode with Kirito's fumbling with the 5-hit SS was Charlotte's doing, IIRC, but in the anime it just showed a flickering SS activation to be the root of the failure. If the upcoming scene in next episode or two doesn't have Charlotte and just has Cardinal's voiceover instead then we can assume there is no Charlotte whatsoever.

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meteorburst

I'm not a fan of Liena senpai, but she with casual outfit and long hair is extreamly cute :D

xRuneRocker

I'm not a fan of Liena senpai

You and me are not friends anymore...

matty-a

Such a shame that so much was skipped over, hopefully it'll work out for the best overall but these early parts of Alicization were all about the Kirito and Eugeo moments!

Celestial_Fox

Not a fan of this episode at all. Cutting Zakkaria aside, I honestly feel that Eugeo is a non character in this adaption so far.

chaykraa

I'm starting to regret having read the LN again. You'll feel dissatisfied by their adaptation because the memories are still fresh and you hoping to have a 1:1 adaptation dissipates the entire enjoyment of the show

Anime viewers only will certainly enjoy it more than LN readers

BleedingUranium

Being an LN reader doesn't inherently make things disappointing, it's thinking that it should be 1:1 that does.

An adaptation needs to alter the story to make it good for the new medium (as written text is so very different to animation/live-action), but it's also an opportunity to improve the existing story. Especially when the original was written over 10 years ago, and was before any of the explosion of SAO content we've had in the last 5 years or so.

Bartimaeous

Wow. Has it really been that long since it was written?! That’s insane!

I_Love_Alice

This. As an LN reader, I'm absolutely loving seeing every episode bring the books to life. Ono has set the tone of every big scene perfectly, and I really couldn't ask for more. For example, the scene where Kirito simply gets his sword from the blacksmith was my favorite scene this episode; that track that played along with the visuals did a masterful job of highlighting the importance of that sword, even if that importance isn't immediately recognized by the viewer. Like many of the scenes he's adapted, viewers will go back to scenes after knowing the context and be blown away, just as I am now as a reader.

Spockies

Yes, I agree that Ono highlights big moments beautifully, but he's really showing less of the deuteragonists in his adaptations. Namely, Eugeo in UW and Asuna in RL.

Anime Eugeo has all the inner feels, well not being inner. =/ There hasn't been a cool moment for Eugeo when there has been plenty at this point in the novel. I imagined him as Kirito's best friend while reading. He's just male sidekick in the anime at the moment, perhaps even below Klein's position.

Asuna's role has been diminished greatly by allowing the ALO crew be in on the know-how with Yui being nowhere to be seen. The anime shows poorly as to how intelligent the Yui+Asuna combo is with all these deductions from the RATH and ALICE connection and the search for Kirito.

I_Love_Alice

You can't be serious. Are we watching the same show? Are you paying attention?

I imagined him as Kirito's best friend while reading. He's just male sidekick in the anime at the moment, perhaps even below Klein's position.

The anime has done a fantastic job of showing their friendship. The OST throughout every talk between Kirito and Eugeo has been spot on and heartfelt, their facial expressions have conveyed so much emotion, and the dialogue between them is always endearing. Even in today's episode, Kirito and Eugeo have reinforced their friendship once again with their talk at the flower garden.

Asuna's role has been diminished greatly by allowing the ALO crew be in on the know-how with Yui being nowhere to be seen. The anime shows poorly as to how intelligent the Yui+Asuna combo is with all these deductions from the RATH and ALICE connection and the search for Kirito.

The anime spent an entire episode that literally consisted of Asuna and Yui informing the group of the situation, and then further deducing Kirito's whereabouts. It's done a fine job of showing how ballsy and intelligent both of them are.

Spockies

I already see that they are great friends, but I am talking about individual growth. The way Eugeo has carried himself so far is someone who is following Kirito. Eugeo vs Jink, and Eugeo's performance in the tourney were cut from the anime. Remember, the tourney crowd was really impressed by Eugeo's swordsman skills and in how "elegant" it was compared to Kirito's crude and practical version of the same arts. Those were huge ego boost for timid Eugeo. Eugeo's anime countenance is totally dependent to Kirito as far as viewers are concerned. I didn't have that impression of Eugeo while reading until much later.

The ALO scene I was mentioning was when Asuna was already on the ship and managed to inform her friends of the status of Kirito while overlaying the talk with Kikuoka. By diminishing Asuna's role, I mean that she has a support network behind her rather than being isolated while learning about Kirito's condition and all of RATH's inner workings. If Ono can play with his changes for a better endgame, then I'll welcome the change. Until then, it makes some future scenes seem less dire, because remember that Asuna in the LN is supposed to not have any options to call for help.

mysistersacretin

I can't wait to see how they adapt this fight next week, especially if they do the sword growing bit well.

Xyloqhonic

Man, i'm bummed that they cut this bit down, but at the very least i'm happy with the amount of foreshadowing that Raios and Humbert got. Still a pretty good episode, the action looked beautiful again. Can't wait to see the duel next week!

AnduinHellscream

Anime only here, but got ln related questions.

This arc is as long as everything else before, but s1-2 were 50eps, and so is this, so why do they skip stuff like the tourney when they didnt skip anything like that in the first two arcs?

How long was the tourney in the LNs? One chap? Or more? And was it anything important?

Spockies

First, different directors. His methods of story-telling is different.

Zakkaria and the tourney was one chapter, but was about 70+ pages. A lot of it was more world building and displaying character growth. It's pretty important considering a lot of SAO criticism is "shallow" characters when there is a lot of depth to every character in the A-String cast, i.e. Kirito, Asuna, Yuuki, Suguha, Sinon, Kayaba. Eugeo has suffered the most in his character scope from scenes left out.

Ryuuji_Gremory

Alicization is 10 volumes (+ 2 volumes of Sidestory/epilogue, though that probably wont be adapted in this season) Season 1+2 where only 7 1/2 volumes.

AnduinHellscream

Ah, i thought 1+2'were 8 volumes+ caliber, and 9'for alicization. My bad then

Thicshigi

So they totally glossed over Zakkaria Tournament and showed a flashback which hardly showed anything that shows the importance of Zakkaria chapter. Then they showed a flashback of Garitta-jii san and wow not even 2 mins there. Except for Rina-sempai and some scenes I didn't really like this episode's adaptation much :( I really didn't expect flashback for both the scenes and now that they showed, it felt like just a formality to show it there for the ln readers that were complaining

Jota914

Look for the brightside, we will have more screen time for the following arcs.

If they are skipping novel scenes now it's because they want to focus a lot on the core of Alicization. Also IIRC the Zakkaria wasn't even in the WN, it's like Reki just wrote it as a "filler" for the LN. So it makes sense to skip it on the anime where time is a constraint.

Thicshigi

I don't think time is an issue when they make half of the episode with anime original scenes. I don't think it's a constraint when they prefer to put "non canon" of their own instead of actual source.

Edit: non-canon not fillers

zephyria_

I wouldn't call the anime original scenes "filler"; they've each served a purpose for the benefit of the anime viewers who may not have read the source material.

Jota914

Full Zakkaria probably would take 2 episodes. I understand it's a shame we have skipped material from LN but if they did a 1:1 adaption we would need a loot more of episodes. Let's see, I'm still believing it will pay off on the following episodes.

Thicshigi

Well they can easily fit Zakkaria in 16 minutes if not more. They fit chapter 2 in 1 episode which was bigger than chapter 3 while cutting short a lot of explanation and reactions. Zakkaria chapter main importance was the tournament which could have been easily adapted in half episode.

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BleedingUranium

This is the Novel thread, so that seems like an odd question.

She doesn't stay too important right now, she'll likely just be here next episode, but she returns much later in the story, should be episode 30-something.

 

Side note: I love that I can write "episode 30-something".

fatalystic

I should get back to finishing up Alicization...

I believe I stopped when Vector showed up, and have been too lazy to carry on since. >.>

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twilightskyris

Honestly I can see them skipping Charlotte almost entirely at this point. The only other time she is relevant is when they are running away from 31. and OFC LN14 ending.

ellieisnotonline

She’s relevant to the scene in the flower garden (hopefully) happen next episode... though it’s not directly stated that / it is Charlotte / it is heavily implied at the very least.

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LJ-696

Not a fan of this adaption now. don’t get me wrong it’s a good show that is absolutely gorgeous to look at and what is adapted is really good and I’ll still watch it. But I feel they are skipping or glossing over too much now.

Destroyer29042904

Agreed, there is some stuff that shouldnt be skipped, but i understand why they did

LJ-696

I understand too but damn.

lets just cut out a big important development for Eugeo. while at the same time removing a chapter that adds depth and meaning to the world and just leaves a huge unexplained but for 20 seconds flashback time skip.

but as i have said before this is Ono’s telling of the story i’m just not liking his choices.

waterflame321

Hello again :p Anyway.... it not only does that but also cuts out a major theme on the taboo index... though I'm hoping they'll have their own spin in the upcoming to fill it in...

LJ-696

Boo XD

yep there is that too. I just don’t get why some say ah well its only filler when damn it... its part of the main story and adds to the depth of the world.

waterflame321

I AGREE! IT'S NOT FILLER! Hopefully people watch this at least. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZffdSoK_3g

Man people hate this... I'm at -1 and you're at 0... Seems Kawahara is saying it'll be the biggest cut... but with all the episodes you had... they couldn't even have half-assed it and done half an episode...

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celzpunkie009

can i ask where can i start reading light novel after episode 7 ??

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Loved the visual with Kirito where he's extending his hand toward Eugeo with the starry sky as the backdrop.

This adaptation is skipping over some scenes in favor of saying what happens outright, but these scenes full of foreshadowing are so good.

albertrojas

It's a bit of a minor detail, but I really wonder why they changed Sadore's Calling from Craftsman to Metalsmith. It doesn't quite make sense why he went to Rulid now.

......Unless of course, he went there for a more practical reason(looking for metal to forge then came upon the Gigas Cedar, which for some reason is harder than the average sword).

Liena-senpai's great. Next episode would definitely be awesome.

Also, I hate Humbert and Raios. Scumbags.

DarthCaedus12

I feel like that "Even if i get my memories back, Im not going home" line could also meen that Kirito wont leave Underworld until he has helped Eugeu in his quest, and shows that Kirito also sees the Artificial Fluctlights as real people (as Eugeu most likely is one/is definetly one)

RosaliaFB

First time I haven't watched the timeframe of the episode properly.

A very loud expletive came out at random when the end started to play. F***ing cliffhangers!

pikkuhukka

it was good ep, despite the fact that zakkaria was quite totally glossed over, they couldnt really totally skip it

as gsi pointed out, the date when kirito got his sword was fumbled, it was day later lol

also kirito was supposed to destroy a piece of armor at sadore's shop, this didnt happen

also some other minor details, if we forget what i mentioned, a very good ep

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