Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 3 Discussion (Light Novel Reader)

Episode 3: The End Mountains

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Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 3 Discussion (Light Novel Reader)

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miss_mmchan

I expected this episode to adapt a little more, but turns out the pace was perfect. Slow, steady and absolutely captivating.

Next episode is going to be the bomb. An epic goblin fight and the chopping down of the Gigas Cedar. Looks like they're finally going on the journey next episode, where the plot picks up. And then everyone's going to be truly hooked.

Somehow this epiosde went by so fast, much faster than last episode, even though it was another 'chatting with Eugeo during lunch' scene. I've always liked Selka, and I'm glad she's getting the treatment she deserves. Such a precious and strong girl.

There's actually not much to talk about this episode. Just keeping up the stellar storytelling and revealing more about this world. Very pleased with the adaptation so far.

Don7Quijote

I want to see Eugeo picking up his new calling.

Soyatina

Me too! I can't wait for Eugeo to become a swordsman!

Nixis198

I can't wait till Kirito gets drunk and kisses Selka. I want to see that animated.

miss_mmchan

He wasn't drunk, just testing out the limits, but seriously I love this scene. The illustration is the cutest thing ever!

Ryuuji_Gremory

It wasn't bad enough to call him drunk but IIRC he was at least a little intoxicated, since in contrast to other virtual world in this one you do get drunk when you drink alcohol. Though his reasons are as you stated just to test his own limits or rather IIRC he tested whether or not he himself might be an Artificial Fluctlight by doing something that an Artificial Fluctlight would never do (without breaking the taboo index).

Dark_Blade

Yeah, and I really hope people don't raise a stink over 'OMG Kirito cheating on Asuna!!!!1!!11!!!' over this.

...who am I kidding, of course they will.

Nixis198

They will, if they read the book Kirito even says sorry to Asuna when he does.

Dark_Blade

It was for a pretty good reason though, it's literally an existential crisis.

Also, that reminds me: They really need to go back to the real world and explain some of the Artificial Fluctlight stuff before that. Asuna's scene is waaaay overdue at this point.

Nixis198

My guess is Asuna's scene is going to be the 5th episode.

Dark_Blade

I hope so, the goblin fight scene needs to be in next week's episode or I might just kill someone.

BleedingUranium

Well that's how the novels go, and there's really no reason they've deviate from this. We get the fight, tree getting chopped, and the duo leaving Rulid next week (ending Vol 9), then Ep5 will likely be entirely in the real world with Asuna.

OmegaVesko [OP]

Well, if someone tries, I sure hope they're ready to be reminded that Selka's a 12-year-old child.

Dark_Blade

That'll make it worse, trust me.

OmegaVesko [OP]

I mean, if someone's more ready to accept that Kirito's a pedophile out to take advantage of a child than that he just doesn't have any romantic interest in a 12-year-old, they're free to do so. The people with two brain cells to rub together will realize which one of those is more likely to be the case.

Ksaraf23

I didn't even remember this even happened!

I might have to reread Volume 9 now!

meteorburst

OMG Kirito cheating on Asuna

This's why I really want them to following the manga version which it's just head pat instead of kiss. But the only thing I fear the most is they remove Kirito's apology scene which is the worst thing for me, I don't want another misuncerstanding like GGO arc.

SaintNeos

There is nothing wrong with the forehead kiss version, though. Not only was it in the original, Kirito was very specific as for why he did it and it was more like a cute gesture than anything 'bad'. If some people misunderstands it and makes into an overblown thing, let them, that shouldn't bother you as a true SAO Fan, Meteor-kun :O

Dark_Blade

They might actually do that, though I think it works better if they just follow the LN.

Nixis198

It took another three cups of three apple beverage for me to forget about my unease and rejoin the intoxicating dance circle.

From page 251 vol 9

kacoret

We've already get Selka blushed this episode, next will be this!

Ariscia

They're going to skip back to showing Asuna's perspective in Episode 5 though, which might break immersion so I think we need to wait till 6 for people to get hooked.

NamerNotLiteral

They should be out of the village by the first half of Ep 5 at the latest, and then we'll get Asuna's pov to bridge the timeskip between Alicization Beginning and Alicization Running.

Ariscia

Hmm I think they'll be out of the village in Ep 4. First half Goblin fight, 2nd half celebration then Departure.

Lazeasfck10am

To be fair they cut out a lot of world bulding stuff but that is to be expected, we can't spent all episode talking about folklores and the Underworld equivalent of clock.

ReceivePoetry

I figure that'll come along as flashbacks and sidethoughts as the story progresses, rather than slow the pacing to a halt to explain so much backstory. It makes more sense to use that info to advance the storyline than to look backwards too much. So, like when Asuna gets the explanations from Kikuoka and Higa, we might get that then.

albertrojas

My imagery back when I read Volume 9 of SAO was that they kept hacking at the tree with the Blue Rose Sword the whole day, spamming Sword Skills in excitement since they're making visible progress.

Ryuuji_Gremory

Another amazing episode.

My only grievance with this episode is that we didn't get to see Kirito's faceplant (well not like changed it and had him succeed, he still failed pretty badly, I just wanted to see that faceplant XD) and his comment about how much things hurt in this world.

Nixis198

I forgot he face planted when he tried to use the sword on the tree.

lordover123

And instead he dealt 1 damage to it, which is equally insulting, IMO

Cyerdous

I mean he dealt 1 damage to it either way, so sadly we just have the lack of a face plant.

Ksaraf23

His body might not be hurt (except for him being in a coma and everything), but his pride certainly is.

fatalystic

Well, Eugeo's been doing 2000 strikes per day, and he commented last episode that the tree's Life decreased by 50 over the last month, so assuming a month to be 30 days that averages out to 0.00083 Life depleted per swing. 1 Life per swing is actually a really sweet deal...though getting blasted away due to recoil or faceplanting in the ground every time you do so isn't ideal.

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SaintNeos

Another week, another awesome Alicization anime episode!

First of all, even if it wasn't actually her and for a short moment, we saw some Sugu this episode, so that was good :D Also, Kazuto probably should have a long time with her soon about why cute lolis keep reminding him of her. First Silica, now Selka...

The whole scene before the Cedar was nice and interesting. Plot-development aside, it truly shows the beginnings of Kirito and Eugeo's interactions and it was really cool and touching to see :3

Then, it's Selka-chan's time! Truly, with her hair down and like that she really looks a lot like Alice...and trust in Kirito to have a girl all blushing and bothered yet happy upon having been talking to him for 5 minutes. Never change, Kii-bou.

Of course, that's when the plot turns 'serious'...this is the first 'action' development of the arc, and Gods if they didn't make it look epic! Those goblins and the whole scene was masterfully done, especially Eugeo's 'panic attack', it was amazing and very realistic. Now, there is only one thing that can be done...call Goblin Slayer! I mean, be Heroes, you two!

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SaintNeos

I accept this totally logical conclusion as the truth from now on :D

furosuto81

If true, Suguha would be much happier...

Destroyer29042904

Do you know if the lil kiss Kii-bou gave Selka was after this? Because if it was before and they didnt animate it I will be pissed.

Also, the goblins, for a second and from far away they looked like Overlord's animated cgi monsters. Got me scared for a second xD

SaintNeos

It's after this, during the celebration for saving her, don't worry :P What they sadly removed was the scene of her freaking out when Kirito carelessly took off his shirt in front of her in the morning XP

Ahahah, yeah, that would have sucked.

BruisedBananaOni

I was a bit disappointed that they removed that comedic scene myself, though I can guess a reason or two as to why they would do so...

Yeah Overlord dgi is kind of hit/miss, though what bothers me most about the Overlord cgi is how well... drastically different the style is compared to the rest of the world, making it really obvious that it's an out of place summoned creature rather than something that blends more naturally with the world like the goblins in this episode :d

uDustin

Sassy Selka, in the beginning, is best Selka. The facial expressions made by her were absolutely adorable.

The Blue Rose Sword animated looks absolutely fucking beautiful. Let's just get that out of the way, one of the most beautiful looking swords I've ever seen in anime

Kirito's inner monologues, while he was taking a bath, were spot on. I'm loving these so much! The director change is really proving to be amazing so far.

Selka is so kawaii I swear. Adorable as hell, not to mention the face she makes when Kirito asks her if she likes Eugeo was so cute.

I usually HATE it when episodes or movies end in a cliffhanger, but since I (like the rest of you) already know what happens, I don't really mind. Actually, I take that back

GOTTA WAIT ANOTHER WEEK GOD DAMN IT D:

In all seriousness, great episode. 9/10. Can't wait for next week where we finally see some good ole sword action.

BleedingUranium

I usually HATE it when episodes or movies end in a cliffhanger, but since I (like the rest of you) already know what happens, I don't really mind.

This is part of why I'm really enjoying the anime so far; since I know what to expect, I feel it lets me appreciate the storytelling and how they've put everything together that much more. And I don't have to worry about what might or might not happen, because I know it. :D

lordover123

And I don't have to worry about what might or might not happen, because I know it. :D

I share this sentiment! Honestly, I think I'm more excited for the next episode knowing what's going to happen (or might be included) than I would be not knowing what'll happen

lordover123

Did you notice the Blue Rose Sword is slightly translucent? I watched the episode twice back-to-back, no shame here and only noticed it the second time

Lazeasfck10am

It was describle as translucent in the LN as well. I was worry that the anime will simply make it white since the effect would be very time-consuming to recreate in animation but alas, anime staff did a wonderful job with it.

Dark_Blade

Man, all the people who think Kirito's the one who gets to one-shot the tree are gonna be sorely disappointed.

BleedingUranium

You'd think they'd notice that Blue Rose Sword is clearly Eugeo's personal blade in the OP, but oh well.

Dark_Blade

lol exactly. Even if I hadn't read the LN already, it's kinda obvious from the OP.

ToysInTheAttik

I absolutely love these kind of comfy tutorial village-esque segments. I'd be down to just watch a slice of life anime at rulid village.

About how many Asuna episodes do you think we're going to get? I'm assuming episode 5 will be dedicated entirely to her and everything else will be spread out in segments. I do love me some exposition but lore-dumps work better in text than they do in anime.

BleedingUranium

They've already showed they do info sections really well, by animating what they're actually talking about, and I expect the same going forward.

The explanations of the creation of Underworld and of Artificial Fluctlights should lend itself really well to the same sort of visualized lore exposition.

 

It's also one of my favourite sections, so I'm really excited for it.

ToysInTheAttik

Yeah they've been pretty competent with these kinds of scenes so far. If anything we'll get a good but slow paced episode and I see no problem with that.

I'm actually excited for how they'll handle things once they meet Cardinal and she tells them Quinella's story.

BleedingUranium

That part, done animated with Cardinal narrating, would be absolutely amazing.

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Yup, also their new director of photography, their very competent background & editing team should have a very good time animating concepts like Artificial Fluctlights. This is where a visual medium like anime can excel cause it can give visual support to various concepts that are introduced.

Like for Quinella I almost expect to see a full on flashback to how she became who he is now or when the whole info dump on the tech of Underworld happens, I almost expect them to show the development and how it progressed.

BleedingUranium

Indeed. And especially considering Shigemura is actually in the OP, I feel they really want to flesh out and visualize all the elements like this.

luvizrage

I wonder when they will show what happened to Kirito after Johnny Black almost killed him, although in the Novels it took a lil bit

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I'm still thoroughly please with how this was adapted, including the pacing. When they adapted Grand Blue into an anime, I was very frustrated at how the director paced the series. Everything was off an he/she didn't seem to have a good grasp of proper timing for things. However, A1 is doing a fantastic job. This is honestly better than I had ever imagined an adaptation would be like and I can't wait for more.

Also, Eugeo's tree chopping scene was stunning.

enzer_pyro

Another Saturday, another episode of Alicization.

Not a lot of action but a good bit of information regarding the world was talked about today.

The way the dawn was presented in this world is beautiful, a light purple hue just like in real life. As well as seeing Selka wake up Kirito, good that they didn't miss him mentioning Sugu but I didn't think they'd go that literal. That was hilarious.

Never thought the Blue Rose Sword was able to stand so upright like that, truly a powerful weapon. If you could, you could hear a more "electronic" sounding 'Swordland' once the Sword came in.

Today's Sword Skill, as presented by Kiritard, may have been the One-Handed Sword Skill «Sonic Leap» (judging by the greenish colour, my eyes could be wrong) or the Two-Handed Sword Skill «Cyclone» (going by his stance). I believe the way the Sword Skill's Light Effect came in must've been done differently from Aincrad too. I can't wait for the light show in a few months.

The Gigas Cedar did a number on the Sword too, a serious drop of 2k points on the Sword's durability.

To conclude, Kirito has nice legs. Next Episode, Goblin Slaying with Kirito and co. As well as Eugeo being awesome.

lordover123

The Gigas Cedar did a number on the Sword too, a serious drop of 2k points on the Sword's durability.

I had assumed most of this was from the amount of time being left in the cave unattended. If I recall, it's mentioned in the novels that items left alone like that can decay over time. And that in the case of swords, them being in their sheath can restore health, though that might only be when the item is under ownership (and in an area with a lot of sacred power. Which isn't the shed near the Gigas)

Don7Quijote

Nice to see the blue rose sword again and attempting to strike the tree was funny.

PS. did they skip the forhead kiss scene?

blackwaltz17

The forehead scene comes later on after party, after they cut down the Gigas Cedar.

Don7Quijote

Oh, OK. I just couldn't remember when it happened.

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I think that comes later.

Soyatina

Nice to see the blue rose sword again and attempting to strike the tree was funny.

In case you want to watch this scene again.

rare_Suteki

This is rough, I am well aware at how vast the source material is, and in the future when I am able to sit and watch the whole thing from start to finish its going to be fantastic....but right now It's so agonizing how this show is TOO good for a once a week 22 min piece of content.

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I have honestly never felt this way about a piece of media. The closest was waiting like 4 years for shakugan no shana final and I was kinda disappointed with that(since changed my tune) and to the extreme I waited 15 years for "Jurassic park 4" and was completely let down by that.

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Its just nice to receive an adaptation of media that meets the hype you have built up.

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Ono did a great job for mahouka koukou no reitousei, now it seems like he will be doing that too. The pace management is perfect.

Im thinking that there might be a chance where instead of continuing the plot inside underworld, A-1 could pull the scene back to real world where Asuna is trying to find where Kirito is.

Ryuuji_Gremory

Imo while Mahouka was enjoyable as an anime it did lack a shit ton of details and worldbuilding that was in the LN, that seems to be done a lot better in Alicization.

(though the great amount of details in the "pseudoscientific/magical" parts of Mahouka has in the LN doesn't necessarily lend itself to an anime so you can't really blame them for cutting out much of it)

BleedingUranium

That happens at the beginning of Vol 10, and it makes perfect storytelling sense to keep it where it is. We'll likely get Ep4 entirely in Underworld, ending with Kirito and Eugeo leaving Rulid (and ending Vol 9), then Ep5 will probably take place entirely in the real world.

charzard4261

It's really satisfying watching this series.

Cue the Goblin Slayer memes!

Aetherdraw

Seeing the exact values on the Blue Rose sword...is that the reason it was cut down suddenly while fused with Eugeo during his last battle? Since there doesn't seem to be a way to fix Divine object health iirc. It was already near half before getting used, and then all those series of nonstop combat in the tower...ghhh. This just hurts. Our boy dying due to low weapon durability.

StuffedFTW

It has been a while since I have read the LN's but I thought they mentioned the swords recover life when they were in the sheath.

lordover123

I recall that also. I mentioned it upthread;

I had assumed most of this* was from the amount of time being left in the cave unattended. If I recall, it's mentioned in the novels that items left alone like that can decay over time. And that in the case of swords, them being in their sheath can restore health, though that might only be when the item is under ownership (and in an area with a lot of sacred power. Which isn't the shed near the Gigas)

*referring to the missing durability on the sword mentioned by another user, about 2k

microbit262

sigh With most of the people on /r/anime making stupid goblin jokes I really look forward to them not appearing a long time after next episode.

Actually I did not remember that fight at all until a reread couple of days ago...

Spockies

Nice episode!

Only gripe is that Kirito is displaying sword skills with the BRS in the anime without the proper Object Control Authority (OCA). As beautiful as a sword skill is, there will be plenty of opportunities to animate it in the future and it's just unnecessary to show it when its not appropriate. It is the only inconsistency set thus far. I can understand Kirito using a SS with Jink's sword as that may fall under his OCA, and not activating the SS on the Dragonbone Axe due to higher priority or bad axe-related SS muscle memory.

I guess the director just wants to portray Kirito a bit differently than in the LN. IIRC, Kirito was more anxious, dependent on Eugeo and out of his element until the goblins. His anime countenance seems to sway between confident and uncertainty. Though that does lead to funny scenes when things don't go as Kirito expects. /rant

OmegaVesko [OP]

Only gripe is that Kirito is displaying sword skills with the BRS in the anime without the proper Object Control Authority (OCA). As beautiful as a sword skill is, there will be plenty of opportunities to animate it in the future and it's just unnecessary to show it when its not appropriate.

Yeah, this is an inexcusably bullshit change, considering how specifically the LN points out that they only become capable of using Sword Skills with the Blue Rose Sword once their Object Control Authority gets raised high enough. That's, like, a basic tenet of how Object Control Authority works. And they changed that for what, being able to make this one scene look slightly more flashy?

Hell, if not for the anime-original Sword Skill scene in the last episode (which I also question the utility of), Kirito wouldn't even be supposed to know that Sword Skills exist in UW until he accidentally activates one during the goblin fight.

seitaer13

My only real gripe with Alicization so far is that they showed Kirito using sword skills early and that he could actually use one against the tree when Eugeo could not.

Otherwise this continues to be a great adaptation that is absolutely gorgeous to look at. The inner monologues, the lack of fanservice so far the slower pacing to actually establish mechanics and lore. It's all the little things so far that I wanted from the other two seasons but didn't get.

I'm guessing we finish volume 9 with the next episode and then move back to the real world in episode 5.

SilentFangH

A great episode, I just wished they kept the scene where Kirito took off his shirt whilst Selka was still in the room. Best imouto deserves more things to love about her.

kacoret

A good cliffhanger to end episode 3! Well, probably awesome!

3 episode have passed and I could see this going into right direction, pace wise especially. Even some of the details were cut off from LNs, it's still pretty much enjoyable while my mind trying to remembering some stuff from LN.

Also, that's the Selka I know! How she tried to woke up Kirito is how she supposed to be, sassy but still cute! Well, Silica have a match with her xD And Kirito being Kirito, doesn't think what kind of aftermath after he answered Selka's question.

While I'm having a little bit issue of the particularly short chip-chop Blue Rose practice at the first act of this episode, overall it's been a pretty good adaptation! I hope next week come sooner;3

Pandoyo

My prediction is that next week's episode will end with Eugeo and Kirito leaving Rulid, and the episode after that will finally show what's going on in the real world (not looking forward to that though, the irl parts were my least favorite part of the arc)

Bonvantius

Does anyone else just love that ''Swordland'' motif that plays at the 9:18 mark? The music has been on point this season, really good at setting the tone, the OST release can't come fast enough!

DooMWhite

I agree, the last episode's soundtrack made me remember the first act of SAO(when they were all comfy and stuff).

zxHellboyxz

wonder if they will had the blood and his disjointed arm

widowkiller

I hadn't really considered this, I need to read the book and see if it explains it, but why does Kirito decide that he NEEDS Eugeo's help to get to the city? It never shows him asking anyone else about it, it seems like he settles right away on Eugeo. I didn't notice it when i was reading but I found myself asking that question when I watched the episode. Makes me think there's an explanation in the book.

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widowkiller

Yeah we know that from the books, but they never mention Eugeo's desire to go to Centoria in the anime. I wanted to do my best to look at SAO with a more critical eye, so i have an idea of what people seem to think is wrong with this show. So i already know this is going to be a sticking point. People are going to be asking "why doesnt he just ask someone else for help? Eugeo cant be the only person that knows anything." I think if there had been a small part where kirito was considering if it was worth talking to someone else and decided that Eugeo was his only chance, it would probably not have stood out at all. If fact it would have been cool if maybe kirito just had this nagging feeling that eugeo was important, the latent memories from when he was a kid in Underworld affecting his decision. I dunno, maybe im overthinking it

Spockies

The Calling prohibits an individual from exploring the world. Eugeo's Calling isn't to be a lumberjack. It's specifically to chop down the Gigas Cidar. Once that is done, he is free to choose another Calling. Compare that to any other villager in Rulid, whose Calling has no end as it will likely revolve around Rulid. This is totally against Kirito's end game to go to the big city, so he figures chopping down one mega tree is feasible in comparison to convincing another villager to commit a sin by abandoning their Calling.

widowkiller

That actually makes perfect sense, but i never would have thought of that on my own. They cut out a lot of kiritos musing on the nature of the Underworld and the AI in it. I think since i read the book first, im really missing the internal monologue.

Spockies

The anime actually mentions briefly the topic of Taboo Index and some rules regarding Callings. It just isn't stressed as much as the novels made it to be though. There's enough inklings of information in the anime to arrive to my explanation as the audience, albeit leaping through some logic loops, while in the novel Kirito does flat out say that his reasoning to choose Eugeo is because it is easier to move around the world with someone free of their job, but alongside all that deja vu regarding Eugeo.

icematt12

So far Alicization is doing exactly as I anticipated, getting me into Alice and Eugeo but also missing the familiar faces. I was hoping to see Asuna's strategy meeting this episode, where Yui helps them track Kazuto's movement from the hospital. It could happen soon due to the time acceleration or as a flashback showing how Asuna gets to the facility.

seitaer13

It happens at the start of volume 10, so I'm assuming they're going in order. Since episode 4 is titled departure, it seems likely it ends volume 9 with them leaving the village and episode 5 would be Asuna in the real world.

Eter_Close

If I remember correctly, the first time Kirito realize that there is sword skill in the Underworld was during the goblin fight, right? So, I'm calling it now, the fact that he know it already means that the one who will be saving the day during the fight is Eugeo. He is also the one who alerted the goblin as well, but stand still not knowing what to do.

Eugeo : Selka, Kirito.. Alice(flashback intensify).. I won't let it happen again!

*Eugeo unknowingly activate the sword skill and kill the goblin leader

Natchyy24

Seems like Goblins are theme of all anime this season lul

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Another awesome episode! Next one should end volume 9.

bchamper

Fanboyed out when the deja vu of Kirito screaming Eugeo's name out and the look on Eugeo's face. I was anticipating this bromance and so far they have executed it to perfection.

pikkuhukka

love the slow pacing <3 only watched the ep two times, will watch it the third time and then insert all thoughts here

Elypha

As the anime goes so slow and every week stops with a real cliffhanger, I really hope to read the light novel to know what will be going on next. But I'm afraid that this may break my experience while watching anime (such thing happened to me once). Could someone give me advice?

Spockies

I started reading the LN just before the anime started airing. Over the course of 3 weeks of semi-casual reading, I'm at the climax of the Alicization arc at volume 17. Each volume is about 6 episodes of the anime, and I have no problems about knowing what's happening next. Reading ahead allows my "imagination" to do work in depicting this fantastic fantasy story ahead of time and watching the anime play out is a great recap and allows me to absorb much more of the setting, voice acting, music, and characters' subtle emotions as I don't have to focus too hard on the subtitles to follow the nuances of the world. I also nitpick about what was left out or modified between the two mediums though.

You can always just read the novels at your own pace and read volumes 9 and 10 right now. Should take only 1 week at a moderate reading pace and you should be set for 3 months worth of waiting for the anime.

If that is not your jam, you will just have to wait weekly if you can't read ahead because of it losing all the tension from scenes.

Elypha

Thanks for your advice! It really helps me and I decide to read the first part of the Alicization. It suddenly attracts me a lot! So the anime really goes in a slow pace. Anyway this should be a good thing, for we're going to got a new SAO episode every week in the following months.

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