Sword Art Online: Alicization – Episode 16 Discussion (Anime Only)

Episode 16: The Osmanthus Knight

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Episode 15 - The Relentless Knight

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Episode 11 – Central Cathedral

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Episode 9 – Nobleman's Responsibilities

Episode 8 – Swordsman's Pride

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Sword Art Online: Alicization – Episode 16 Discussion (Anime Only)

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Tree Sword VS Tree Sword

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It made me laugh when Kirito size shamed Alice's tree

raknor88

Holy Tree vs Demon Tree.

BleedingUranium

If you rub two sticks together, you get fire EXPLOSION!

BruisedBananaOni

Aptly said, though I couldn't help but read that in Megumin's voice xD

StartTsu

Explosion

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What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck

I didn't expect the first fight to be over so quick

Eugeo and Kirito talking together and with "The Operator" (which is a cool name tbf) was really nice, and a little informative and a deeper insight into both Kirito and Eugeo's characters

I wasn't expecting the fight with Alice to be this early, she's so powerful, really great fight scene

And then the ending like what the actual fuck, Eugeo is trapped in the tower now and Kirito and Alice have presumably not fallen to their deaths, I assume they were picked up by those dragon things, but who the hell knows what's going to happen next with them

I guess the administrators alarm went off early

So once again

WHAT THE FUCK???

UltraNoahXV

There's gotta be some gravity or anti force element right? If there are luminous elements, burst elements, and aerial elements, then there has to be some self control element as well.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT?!

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Oh yeah that's true, Kirito was very interested in how the lift operator was doing her thing, I bet he uses the aerial element to save himself and Alice from the fall

Anathy

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JhinTheDragonKing

Yo. Her swings alone overpowered Kirito without any sword skills. I havent read the book, but how strong is Alice?

Ryuuji_Gremory

IIRC her swordsmanship is very "formal" and "stiff" (as in "by the books" and not as in "she is a bad swordswomen"), especially in contrast to Kirito, but each and every blow is loaded with the strength of rigorous training and the ridiculous weight of her own sword which was created from the first "indestructible" object in underworld. (Remember how easily she carried both Kirito and Eugeo's swords at once while Ronye and Tize had to drag them along the ground ? No wonder she can do that if her own sword is that heavy)

AvatarReiko

Is she stronger than Fanatio?

Ryuuji_Gremory

Well if you mean in terms of pure physical strength then probably, she would necessarily need far more strength for her swordplay than Fanatio.

This gets a bit spoilerly (well not really but just in case)

In terms of fighting capabilities I would also lean towards Alice but considering the nature of Fanatio's sword it's kind unclear, she just has to land one precise hit to kill a person and even an integrity Knight shouldn't be an exception, it's just the question of how she would be able to do that. Clashing head on, sword against sword, with Alice would be a bad idea (as Kirito demonstrated in this episode) but Alices Peferc Controll art has extremely high offensive and defensive capabilities and is usable at quite some range too, it's basically Senbonzakura with more weight, well I don't know if you watched/read bleach so maybe that doesn't tell you anything.

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As strong as kirito in, " normal form"

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Looked like she was a hell of a lot stronger than Kirito tbh

Don7Quijote

Stronger than normal Kirito, weaker than dual wield berserker Kirito.

BippityBorp

Part of me really hopes we get to see dual wield berserker Kirito somewhere in this arc, if not only for amazement on Eugeo's end

Hiro_aka_016

Her sword much heavier than Kirito's, and level higher too

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urbanracer34

They both fell from the Cathedral?! And the wall repaired itself?! The suspense is killing me on what will happen next.

BleedingUranium

For sure, but be happy you only have to wait a week. The end of this episode is also the very end of Volume 12, so someone reading as the books were coming out would have had to wait four months.

Scurrey

..Sooo I'm pretty sure that's against the Geneva convention

AliBurney

good thing kirito took some plot armor from the armory

SAOSinonLover

I'm 'bout to get anxiety problems just because of the cliffhangers SAO have had lately.

BleedingUranium

To be fair, this is even more of a cliffhanger in novel form. We just watched the very end of Volume 12, and the next one didn't come out for four months.

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_johnning

I too watched the episode. Lol

KaiserNazrin

Man, those sword skills look rad as hell.

BRONsexualToLA

Glad to see Golden Senbonzakura Kageyoshi and Black Getsuga Tenshou in this episode :)

SaucyUbu

Literally was my first thought when I saw the petals lmao

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Also sōten ni zase Hyōrinmaru. Eugeo's shiaki form lmao.

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ShadowAgentz

Tbh, I'd also be freaking out if my best friend was alone with my crush lol

StratusAsterion

Ha! good thing Eugeo doesn't know about Kirito's past on how he makes girls feel about him :P

WanderX27

Hope they release alice fight theme soundtrack, its so badass

SpadesOf8

The sound effects in this season and ordinal scale have been amazing. The loud gong sound upon impact is so satisfying

zxHellboyxz

It was pretty obvious it wouldnt be duel welding

Emmx2039

I don't think it was...

Thicshigi

It pretty much was. Were you expecting him to chant and make his sword split into two or something? The origin of Full control art comes from the objects' memories before it became a weapon. The art is used to tap into it's memories and use it as a special ability. So there ain't a way for him to just make 2 swords and dual wield and it should have been clear after seeing 4 full control art before today honestly.

ReceivePoetry

Well that escalated quickly. Guess I'd better get on with reading since they've caught up to me now. I definitely thought I had more time before that happened.

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Alice is so badass, I love it.

StartTsu
CrimsonKingXIII

Too bad Admiral Ackbar wasn't around when Kirito thought Alice didn't have her sword. Speaking of Alice, she is really really strong, she really had Kirito on the ropes there during that fight. From the standpoint of power, Kirito's special power is impressive, but from a visual standpoint I like Alice's and Eugeo's special skill more.

Overlordzfj

My biggest question is: Why are later 'synthesised' Integrity Knights stronger than older ones? Going off the number in their titles Fanatio has been an Integrity Knight longer then Alice, thus is more experienced, so why is Alice stronger? I thought that some of the hardest fights would be Knights 1,2 & 3, as they have had the most time to hone their skills. But 2 just got deleted and 30 appears to be a far stronger opponent. Answers anyone?

dark77638

Where did you get ‘Alice is stronger than Fanatio’?

Older mean more experience, yes but not always = stronger. Factor like talented, gifted, prodigy also play role.

iirc, Alice was called genius back in Rulid wasnt she? Perhaps under some guidance, she can bring her talents out and shine like golden star, no doubt that even later synthesized knight can out shine the older one.

seitaer13

It's a difference in weapons. Fanatio's weapon is designed for ranged combat, where Alice's is very strong in comparison. Kirito's sword is thrown back even when she blocks.

Also Alice is considered a prodigy

crimxona

28/29 girls got knocked down easily, and 31 was first down vs a pair of boys with chains. 30 is an exception

No_Refrigerator

Just a friendly reminder that their number represents the order in which integrity knights were "created"

danktonium

I'm not stupid, right? It's usually already up for streaming by now?

Thicshigi

Not always. It always comes between 1 to 1.5 hours after it ends airing in Japan. So sometimes exactly after 1 hour sometimes late,etc.

JhinTheDragonKing

Crunchyroll has it up. I just finished watching as I'm typing this

apex42O

I was sure "the operator" had some kind of trick up her sleve.

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I’m really hoping they transfer her to Alfheim in the end.. it’d be so fitting for her

apex42O

I just hope she gets to fly her platform as she had dreamed of

furosuto81

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how damn good Nobunaga Shimazaki was this episode? He’s been fantastic the whole time really, but he’s really been bringing it the past few episodes, and especially this one.

BleedingUranium

He has, and part of this has been Eugeo's change as a character and of situation giving him more chance to do more emotionally-charged stuff.

Eugeo has a lot in common (broadly) with Samwise from LotR as a character, in his innocent and naive ways, but that also tends to lead to having a fairly black-and-white view on some things, meaning he's often one to get angry fairly quickly.

This results in Eugeo having a pretty wide range of tones and lines to say, from his very soft-spoken and calm normal voice, to the frantically-enraged moments at the other end of the spectrum. And he's been nailing all of this for sure.

grizeldi

I really wish they didn't end every single episode on a cliffhanger. Every so often fine, but not almost every episode.

seitaer13

Well this episode was always going to be a cliffhanger given it's an end of novel event. But yeah they do make them too often, even breaking the pace of fights to do so.

grizeldi

This episode the cliffhanger kind of makes sense. But for example the previous episode could easily finish the fight before ending, since this episode only needed till the op to finish the fight. It really starts to get on my nerves if cliffhangers are everywhere since it just reminds me why I prefer binging.

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once_coco

SHIT if Alice and kirito teams up to save eugeo ILL FREAKIKG CRY WTHECKK

davndreliqua

The administrator must have a really deep sleep.

Tennyshoe

Am I the only one who has been pretty bummed with this whole season entirely? Especially since there’s no reality checks lately, not even Kirito thinking about the outside world, and we seem to just be trapped in a semi-lame simulated world where everything is over explained and there doesn’t seem to be anything that was as drawing as the first season. Even Kirito seems to not be coming across as quite like his usual quirky/dark personality. Anyone else kind of bummed or am I missing something?

raspberry-tart

Nah, you're right. I'm finding it all underwhelming. I'm not particularly into the bromance, as Eugeo is uninteresting and seems quite dumb-lots of staring blankly when he should be doing something. He has no agency, just a follower being dragged along by Kirito. I miss Asuna! Additionally as you say, Kirito is not really showing much personality either. I also wish he'd, well, kill a few people/monsters occasionally! Every villain is basically the same: secretly noble, deceived/brainwashed, with a tragic backstory. Are there not any genuine nasty opponents for him to cut up?!

Also, I'm finding the music a let down - too much reliance on the epic gleam eyes type battle music, it seems to be playing almost constantly with little variation. Animation also feels lower quality, lots of static shots of the fighting in the wide, with still backgrounds... compare that to the fight scenes in season 1, with swooping camera movements around sword strokes and the like.

Tryiscuit

Ah, good to see there is someone else who didn't care for Eugeo. I similarly found him hard to relate to, especially compared to how proactive Asuna was as Kirito's partner. He's too much of a standard issue generically like-able sidekick.

Tryiscuit

Even in the novel Reki only dropped the occasional reference to let us know Kirito was scared and missed his friends and family from the outside world. Given that he kept his real reasons for going to the capital from Eugeo it was a little difficult to get screen time talking about it.

ma103

It was addressed in depth in the novel. Anime probably doesn’t have enough airtime for those monologues.

dark77638

Gosh i wanna get slash by the her golden blade, get my organ pierce by her dazzling petals.

Operator girl waifu anyone?

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Wow... After not seeing the Kirito/Yuuki fight, I'm glad we got to see Kirito get beaten by a girl. Shows he's not infallible, and disassembles one of the biggest critiques leveled at the series. I was actually thinking of the Yuuki summon from Ordinal Scale and thinking only Asuna could do that. But then I remembered the half-second Yui shot from the Adamas OP and wondered if Kirito had some kind of Yui summon or something.

Love the art, love the music, but I'm really loving Kirito's character this season, fighting for love. It's a tricky position to play, but it comes across every bit as genuine as Deku's (My Hero Academia) 'never give up' attitude. I dig it.

Oh. That scene when they're walking into the garden from the lift, and the camera looks down on Eugeo, anyone else kinda get Alphonse Elric vibes from him? Human obviously, not armour. Not just the look, but following big brother into the unknown.

seitaer13

That's the second time we've seen kirito lose to a girl this season.

The yui shot was her breaking through a firewall.

Please_Not__Again

Yui? Was she in the episode?

Thicshigi

No. They are talking about OP 1http://imgur.com/a/XqKPY87

Please_Not__Again

Oh thanks for that. Was wondering what the hell they were talking about

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wpsince2009

Can anybody tell me wtf happened at the end...

BleedingUranium

Kirito and Alice's sword abilities were so powerful they blew open the supposedly indestructible walls of the Cathedral, and got sucked outside. :P

sosogwap

What happened to the Fragrant Olive Sword

BleedingUranium

Osmanthus Sword is the official translation, but they mean the same thing.

Personally, I feel Fragrant Olive sounds more fitting to the other named swords, though Osmanthus definitely sounds knightly and badass.

Thicshigi

That's always been how I use them, Osmanthus Knight sounds better than Fragrant Olive Knight but when you ask for a sword name then Fragrant Olive fits much better

BleedingUranium

Indeed, especially when all of the other weapons in Underworld have that awesome two-word, descriptor-noun naming system:

Blue Rose Sword, Frost Scale Whip, Conflagrant Flame Bow, Heaven Piercing Sword, sword name spoilers

Thicshigi

I won't be checking the tag since I still have to complete all the books though I'm sure what 2 of the names inside might be XP

BleedingUranium

Two of them will be in this cour, the other two will be later on in cour 3/4. :)

Thicshigi

I guessed the 2 right then. I'll wait for the other 2 as I am starting volume 15 second half today after I watch Snake-Man 😍

Soriakairos

Any site that I can read the LN?

EggsPls

Was it just me or was the animation for Kirito's parry against Alice right before Eugeo's Enhance Armament the same animation they used when Kirito revealed his dual wield in the Kirito v Eugene fight in the Alfheim arc? Not sure if that's a foreshadow or just consistency in his sword wielding style.

ii_Kapparina_ii

At the start of the episode: HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES HERE IT COMES Sees his weapon control. Me: Oh okay sure that’s fine yeah okay no dual wield... sniff it’s okay at least it looks cool. 3 seconds later Me: wait.. what? It’s over? At the end of the episode: Now that’s a lot of damage! Even damaging walls that can repair themselves! Next episode: Truce. Oh wow totally not a MAJOR spoiler on that they clearly are going to be in the dark territory (as seen by where they fall off around) and they will not be able to get back for some reason and call a truce to fight the dark minions (or whatever they called them.)

BleedingUranium

Oh wow totally not a MAJOR spoiler on that they clearly are going to be in the dark territory (as seen by where they fall off around)

Erm... what? The Central Cathedral is in the very centre of the capital Centoria, which itself is in the very centre of the Human Empire (map of Norlangarth North Empire), which is a giant circle 1500 km in diameter (that's Los Angeles to Seattle, for a tangible reference), with impassable mountains on all sides; it's basically reverse-Mordor.

 

To "fall into the Dark Territory" they would have to get blown 750 kilometres away, and then go up enough to clear the mountains...

ii_Kapparina_ii

Yeah I saw the image afterwards that they fell onto the city but there seems to be no reason for them to call a truce by falling into the human territory mostly with the nobles. Plus why did we get to see this dark looking forest so close. I think they get there in some way other than falling of course. It was my mistake using the word “fall in” but I guess we’ll see next ep.

ThunderChaser

there seems to be no reason for them to call a truce

I'm not gonna say why but you'll definitely find out why it's called "Truce" next episode.

seitaer13

The Cathedral is in the center of the capital. They could see it from the sword academy. They are a very long ways from the dark territory.

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hausofmiklaus

To be fair a lot of what makes her Alice has been erased with the memory wipe. At the same time, the most compelling part is seeing if they succeed in bringing her back, and how she copes with understanding everything that’s happened to her.

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