Revamping the Quarantine Function

While Reddit has had a quarantine function for almost three years now, we have learned in the process. Today, we are updating our quarantining policy to reflect those learnings, including adding an appeals process where none existed before.

On a platform as open and diverse as Reddit, there will sometimes be communities that, while not prohibited by the Content Policy, average redditors may nevertheless find highly offensive or upsetting. In other cases, communities may be dedicated to promoting hoaxes (yes we used that word) that warrant additional scrutiny, as there are some things that are either verifiable or falsifiable and not seriously up for debate (eg, the Holocaust did happen and the number of people who died is well documented). In these circumstances, Reddit administrators may apply a quarantine.

The purpose of quarantining a community is to prevent its content from being accidentally viewed by those who do not knowingly wish to do so, or viewed without appropriate context. We’ve also learned that quarantining a community may have a positive effect on the behavior of its subscribers by publicly signaling that there is a problem. This both forces subscribers to reconsider their behavior and incentivizes moderators to make changes.

Quarantined communities display a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing the content (similar to how the NSFW community warning works). Quarantined communities generate no revenue, do not appear in non-subscription-based feeds (eg Popular), and are not included in search or recommendations. Other restrictions, such as limits on community styling, crossposting, the share function, etc. may also be applied. Quarantined subreddits and their subscribers are still fully obliged to abide by Reddit’s Content Policy and remain subject to enforcement measures in cases of violation.

Moderators will be notified via modmail if their community has been placed in quarantine. To be removed from quarantine, subreddit moderators may present an appeal here. The appeal should include a detailed accounting of changes to community moderation practices. (Appropriate changes may vary from community to community and could include techniques such as adding more moderators, creating new rules, employing more aggressive auto-moderation tools, adjusting community styling, etc.) The appeal should also offer evidence of sustained, consistent enforcement of these changes over a period of at least one month, demonstrating meaningful reform of the community.

You can find more detailed information on the quarantine appeal and review process here.

This is another step in how we’re thinking about enforcement on Reddit and how we can best incentivize positive behavior. We’ll continue to review the impact of these techniques and what’s working (or not working), so that we can assess how to continue to evolve our policies. If you have any communities you’d like to report, tell us about it here and we’ll review. Please note that because of the high volume of reports received we can’t individually reply to every message, but a human will review each one.

Edit: Signing off now, thanks for all your questions!

Double edit: typo.

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flyboy151

And nearly every single one of those are banned or inactive. So it's a useless list.

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potterssuperhero

I'm just really curious what r/sexyabortions is.

I_GUILD_MYSELF

I am not.

serene_monk

It scarred the 17 year old me pretty bad. Won't recommend haha

Edit: Oh, I just read the list above and remembered that it was /r/CuteFemaleCorpses. God, that one image of someone rundown by a train is still engraved in my mind

Bill_buttlicker69

I mean it just started up again today. Of course there aren't a bunch of active subs on the list.

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GooooooooBills

Why the fuck are they banning spacedicks???

KoreKhthonia

Spacedicks is an American institution! This is an outrage! (Not really, but still.)

ThyssenKrunk

What advertiser would possibly want their content on spacedicks?

PM_Pics_Of_Dead_Kids

Ones that I'd be happy to give my money to.

NFLrover

This is reddit, fuck advertising. Install ad block!

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lmao yes i'm sure the people running reddit agree

Steamships

I didn't realize being advertiser friendly was a requirement to exist on Reddit.

Anus_Person

haha, you didn't? Who did you think the redesign was for? Users?

AspergusNiger

when service is free you the product

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Bobby-B-is-daddy

Hey what is space dicks though?

AggressiveChairs

Shock gore content for the sake of it. Last time I went on the front page there was a video of a man putting a spring in the end of his own penis, and then slowly pulling it except it was now covered in blood and maggots.

Yeah don't go on space dicks.

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BlownOutAnusType-II

Ones that show me that they aren't whiny bitches who I shouldn't give business to. If you don't want to advertise there, it shows me your company is not like-minded.

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BRING BACK SPACEDICKS YOU FILTHY OUTER ORBIT GENITAL GOBBLING WHORES

cosine83

I had managed to wipe spacedicks from memory but your mention brought it back. Thanks.

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It says it's non-exhaustive

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landoflobsters [OP]

Given the point of quarantine is to reduce exposure to offensive content, we thought that would defeat the purpose (and let’s be real, redditors who want to will make a list anyway). Nevertheless, due to the warning system, if you encounter a quarantined subreddit, you will know it.

justcool393

For those who are curious, the /r/reclassified subreddit has been finding subreddits that are quarantined for a few years now.

For bot devs, whether a comment is part of a quarantined subreddit can be gotten with the quarantine attribute.

SchroedingersSphere

Ahh, so that's what happened to /r/spacedicks. That sub used to be posted in comments everywhere.

Zombait

Also, the famous redditor who ran it, /u/i_rape_cats, is no longer with us, so it's become far less visible.

broccolibadass

What happened to them?

Kn0thingIsTerrible

He manipulated reddit for personal financial gain. But not in a sanctioned manner like native advertising. He ran an actual fraudulent scheme and got caught.

DJDomTom

Can you elaborate? Id rather not just... You know... Google his username

Kn0thingIsTerrible

There’s not much else to it.

He was put in charge of a few subreddits and activities on the site, and he used it to secretly promote friends and brands for personal profit.

He got caught when he was put in charge of a contest, but gave the prize to his friend.

hasnotheardofcheese

Rabies

broccolibadass

What actually happened

Zombait

He had difficulties with mental health.

broccolibadass

Wait did he die? I thought he just stopped posting here

Zombait

Unfortunately.

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He's raping cats in heaven now

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TudorPotatoe

What is spacedicks

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LymelightTO

I'm actually not sure the API ever returns true to the quarantine attribute, even when a community actually is quarantined, for example with Ice_Poseidon:

https://www.reddit.com/api/info.json?id=t5_3aelr

It seems to only ever return null or false.

They've also essentially introduced a breaking change to about.json queries for a community that's quarantined too, because now it'll throw a 403 error:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ice_poseidon/about.json

justcool393

You don't have access to that subreddit, and the breakage has always been a side effect of that. It'll work if you opt in, which you can do via the API. The endpoint is undocumented, but it is:

a POST to /quarantine with parameters sr (the subreddit name, not the fullname) and accept set to true.

LymelightTO

The problem with breaking that route is that, as far as I can tell, it's the only case insensitive way to query a subreddit by title, and then gather its reddit name property.

If I'm given a new subreddit title/url, that I have no information about, and I'm asked to get it's reddit identifying name (t5_whatever), and other data associated with it from the API... how do I do that?

I'm not that arrogant, so I can totally believe that I may have just been consuming the API in what was an unsupported/technically incorrect manner until now, but is there a single query that gets me that information anymore? Do I have to use a search endpoint, now?

justcool393

It is the subreddit name (not the t5 fullname) that you need. The same happens for private subreddits.

You can query the subreddit, look for quarantine or other such properties being null and then opt in and then re query.

LymelightTO

The subreddit name property is that t5_ fullname, though I think it is or has been referred to as all of "id", "name" and "fullname" at various times and points. info.json has it queried as an "id", but the subreddit listing returns it as "name", and I've definitely heard "fullname" before.

In any case, good point, I suppose I had overlooked the prior case of possibly private subreddits as well, so I can improve my existing check, and implement that procedure if it discovers it's 403-ed because of a quarantine.

Still worth noting the info.json issue that quarantine never responds true.

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Edit: I should note, I've just discovered that info.json does respond true if the user has explicitly accepted the quarantine, and null if the subreddit is quarantined, but the user has not accepted it.

goatcoat

Reddit is a private site, and the owners can do whatever they please with it, regardless of what I think.

That said, I'd have much less of a personal problem with the quarantining system if there were an automatically maintained list of quarantined subreddits that doesn't rely on third parties and questionably effective web crawlers. I want to have some mechanism to discover what's being kept off my feed and to say either "yeah, good riddance" or "maybe this was unfairly classified and I should subscribe."

Fnhatic

Reddit is a private site, and the owners can do whatever they please with it, regardless of what I think.

I would laugh my tits off if a Supreme Court decision came down and reinforced the logic behind Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins and applied it to websites with 'public access' that survive on user content.

FreeSpeechWarrior

Good news then:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/15/17468854/jared-taylor-white-nationalist-alt-right-twitter-ban-lawsuit-ruling

Jared Taylor is suing Twitter in California for violation of CA's affirmative free speech rights in privately owned public spaces using Pruneyard as precedent. Do note this is only applicable in California, not general US law.

Gaenya

I'm really surprised to see /r/Ice_Poseidon was just quarantined.

It's a toxic community, but not the type I'd consider quarantine-worthy.

PixelBlock

It’s going to be interesting figuring out where the line is drawn. Apparently r/FullCommunism is hit too, and that was mostly just low effort satirising LSC last I checked.

h0nest_Bender

It’s going to be interesting figuring out where the line is drawn.

The line is drawn at the point where it offends advertisers.

Cronus6

uBlock Origin ftw.

Seriously, I've not seen an ad on this site in the 10 years I've been here.

AspergusNiger

*adnauseum

dont just block it, poison the data they get off the retards as well

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AxolotlsAreDangerous

It wasn’t satire, the mods genuinely loved Stalin.

PixelBlock

Well it says something when I thought it was supposed to be over the top parody.

AxolotlsAreDangerous

That’s probably because a lot of the users were being genuinely ironic, I’ve seen loads of people say “I just unsubbed from r/FC after finding out it’s not all a joke”.

cosine83

Poe's Law

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hasnotheardofcheese

Tankies are completely indistinguishable from parody.

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beearodeewye

People don't understand memes, especially memes from niche communities so when those memes hit /r/all people complain & report instead of just filtering the subreddit.

whoeve

Oh yeah the Cx crowd is totally just memes, there's nothing else sinister there! Honest!

elbowe21

What the Cx crowd? Is it a twitch thing?

I thought it was an emoticon? Like xD

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Spore2012

Thats exactly why they dont. They are effecrively trying to censor/ban communities without actually doing so. They are trying to deflect the striesand effect. Which i think is bullshit tbh. Give everything a platform, let nature take its course with it.

odraencoded

You might want to check what voat looks like before saying that.

TastyTacoN1nja

Bakeries are private shops too

Chabranigdo

That's different though, because reasons.

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essentialfloss

Based on that list this charade is bullshit. /r/FULLCOMUNISM got quarantined?

LargeBlackNerd

My favorite part about that is the list of ones that are surprisingly not quarantined

iBleeedorange

Interesting subreddit, a lot of people defending some of the banned subreddits like the incel one.

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-a-y

All of the quarantined ones come up as removed or set to private when I try to see them

justcool393

are you using the desktop version of reddit? it may be due to your app.

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fghjconner

Given the point of quarantine is to reduce exposure to offensive content

I thought the point was to reduce unintentional exposure to offensive content. If you're going to continue to host the content regardless, might as well make a list. Anyone who goes looking through that list will be well aware of what they're in for. All you do by hiding the list is give credence the idea that you're doing this to suppress ideas you disagree with rather than to protect users.

Flamerunner42

Especially when all of the quarantined subs are un-viewable

Absolut_Iceland

That's the point. Reddit is pro-censorship, can't be exposing the masses to wrongthink now can we?

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Roastie_haiku_bot

Anyone can be 'offended' by anything. Adults simply turn the page. Who decides what is 'offensive'?

SSBM_Rosen

Generally speaking, people as a collective, as is the case with pretty much any other social phenomenon. Like, your argument could apply to pretty much any aspect of content. E.g., “Anyone can laugh at anything, who decides what is ‘funny’?” “Anyone can be turned on by anything, who decides what is ‘attractive’?” etc. In fact, with some tweaking, it can be used with pretty much all language—“Anyone can call anything a ‘dog,’ who decides what a ‘dog’ is?” What you’re asking is actually something of a fundamental question in semiotics, and could be rephrased something like, “given the endless number of different ways different people can use the same sign, how can we meaningfully talk about what they refer to?”

The basic answer a semiotician might give you would be that although any word could be used by a specific individual for any referent, communities of language users are essentially forced, by the pragmatic requirements of communication, to use any given word in such a way that there will be a fairly consistent resemblance between its referents where there is similarity in the context in which it is used. That is, meaning is determined by use in a bottom-up social process.

This is simplifying things almost to the point of being misleading, but hopefully it gets the idea across of how we form a basis for talking meaningfully about what is ‘funny’ or ‘attractive’ or ‘a dog’ or ‘offensive,’.

Roastie_haiku_bot

Why not let the downvotes decide? Isn't that what the original intent of the up-and-downvote system was?

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So much for transparency.

not_a_qult_ifitsreal

How many times do TD users need to be shown to be doxxing people, along with other breaches of site wide policies, before you will actually apply the punishment any other Subreddit would get?

Jess_than_three

It's never, ever, ever going to happen.

Stalking_Goat

Nah, it'll happen about a week after the next president gets inaugurated.

Jess_than_three

Always assuming there is a next President.. Bleh.

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FreeSpeechWarrior

Can we get an option to bypass this feature entirely?

I don't want yet another gatekeeper sitting between me and the content on reddit.

Your increasing tendency to ban communities and the heavy handed moderation that most communities are subjected to is more than enough.

If the goal is only to reduce exposure for those who wish to avoid it, those who don't care for your censorship should have the option to bypass it entirely.

That means no warning interstitial, no unexpected filtering of "all"

If reddit plans to use quarantines as a softer alternative to bans, that's a good thing. But reddit has just quarantined more communities and banned communities who were previously quarantined so this seems like just another step down the slippery slope reddit used to want to avoid.

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I would definitely appreciate an opt-in version of /r/all that includes quarantined content. I go to /r/all instead of /r/popular specifically because it isn't curated. Part of /r/popular's purpose is to be a curated version of /r/all that doesn't have porn or other "objectionable" content. If you start curating /r/all it kinda defeats the purpose of having both.

King_Brutus

It just seems like a no brainer to give people control over the content they want. Otherwise Reddit is playing nanny and telling people what is and isn't okay for them to consume.

EternallyMiffed

You won't get that option. The whole point of quarantined subs for reddit's admins is to attempt to starve "undesirables".

Thengine

It's more that advertisers now won't worry about their ads being hosted next to the "undesirables".

All about the $$$

jason2306

Phone can't even display quarantined subs gotta love censoring

IVIaskerade

Can we get an option to bypass this feature entirely?

Nope.

You'll sit there and enjoy the yellow stars reddit is handing out to wrongthinkers.

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Are you talking about /r/politicalhumor, which was proven to have had more Russian bots than any other sub on this site?

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People are downvoting this because they don't realize that the admins themselves said /r/politicalhumor was festering with bots at the last transparency report.

MissippiMudPie

So I looked through some of the 944 accounts listed in the transparency report until I finally found one that posted something in /r/political humor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/3h4460/dobby_is_free_america_run

Other things mentioned in the report: the majority of those 944 banned accounts had 0 upvotes.

Yeah, real smoking gun you've got there...

beearodeewye

"Bots only exist in the subreddits I personally don't like though!"

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Gnometard

What if the content I find offensive is constantly making it to the front page?

Farnsworth_The_Dog

FYI, that same quarantine just locked out half of the moderators in WPD and the near entirety of the mod crew from satellite subs from accessing the sub via... 3 apps so far. Nice work. Solid thought process, really.

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