Sword Art Online: Alicization – Episode 22 Discussion (Anime Only)

Episode 22: Titan of the Sword

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Sword Art Online: Alicization – Episode 22 Discussion (Anime Only)

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AFellow_2003

Wow. Honestly, as Kirito's sword skill cast a light over him, I though for a moment "Damn, his uniform kinda looks like his Aincrad appeara- wait, shit, it's really there!"

While Chudelkein did die somewhat gruesomely, my sympathy for him didn't last very long after I remembered all his past actions. Rest in peace pieces.

Kirito and Quinella openly speaking about the other side made for an interesting watch, especially Quinella's retort to Kirito "Do you spend your lives trying to please the higher powers that control *your* world?"

Alice and Kirito getting impaled left me choking in disbelief, especially with how easily that monster took him down. Nice to see (narratively speaking) how Eugeo still can freeze under intense pressure. He's come a long way, but he's not perfect.

Never have I felt so bad for an arachnid. Sleep well, Spider-Kun.

Also, is it a coincidence that Alice, Eugeo and Kirito seem to (at least to me) represent the Luminous, Cryogenic, and Umbra elements respectively?

Ofanaht

Spider-chan. She's name is Charlotte.

AFellow_2003

Is that a Charlotte's web reference, or pure coincidence?

Dragonfury_MC

planned by author

ThunderChaser

That's like asking "Is Alice an Alice in Wonderland reference or just coincidence"

danktonium

Of course it is.

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she's name ? XD

wpsince2009

She does name

Ryuuji_Gremory

Eugeo still can freeze under intense pressure.

That wasn't just pressure but pure terror.

That Golem is terrifying just standing there, even Kirito was initially shaken, and in contrast to Eugeo he had his fair share of experience in battling big terrifying monsters, and then Eugeo saw Kirito and Alice, pretty much the two people most important to him and both people that he idolizes and thinks are stronger then him, got oneshot in a horrific way.

gimily

That way the sword golems ribs went back and forth immediately brought me back to the bone collector from the aincrad arc

Thicshigi

Skull reaper, yeah. Looks quite similar

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Sword reaper

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It's like some sick cross between Gleam Eyes and Skull Reaper

diesal3

Kirito and Quinella openly speaking about the other side made for an interesting watch, especially Quinella's retort to Kirito "Do you spend your lives trying to please the higher powers that control your world?"

Makes you wonder just how much she knows about the other side and if she has interacted with people from there before.

NamerNotLiteral

Seems more like a case of a self-aware being saying, "If I'm in a matrix, what's to say you're not too?"

Nerzana

She did seem to be confident that she had a way to stop them from shutting underworld down.

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Nerzana

I think she’s in contact with someone on the outside. Which is why she’s so confident.

Edit: just want everyone to know I’m not a LN reader so this is pure theory.

BippityBorp

" is it a coincidence that Alice, Eugeo and Kirito seem to (at least to me) represent the Luminous, Cryogenic, and Umbra elements respectively? "

ooh, that's a nice thought

I see them as representations of three of Kirito's swords from other worlds,

The Elucidator, Dark Repulser, and Excalibur, respectively

DoubleJo

As a reminder for everyone: Kirito's Aincrad appearance also returned through his Incarnation (along with the elongated sword)

Incarnation (the power of will/imagination) was only officially introduced in the SAO Universe in Alicization but it's been there since season 1 and it's a recurring theme in Kawahara Reki's works. The introductory episode was a while ago, so keep it in mind from now on and don't mix it up with release recollection, it's important

XSaintsXTroopsX

Hey dude. Thanks for sharing yet being careful not to spoil! I will most definitely be keeping my eyes open to that now. Being this thread is up to episode 22 I think it’d be safe to ask which was the first episode in Aliciziation where Kirito’s Aincrad appearance was shown or hinted at? I’ve started looking for it after I caught a glimpse of it today but not where I thought it would be. Unless I misunderstood and it wasn’t shown in the anime. If that’s the case my apologies.

DoubleJo

No problem. Don't misunderstand, Incarnation doesn't automatically equal Aincrad appearance. It's just one possibility and this time was the first time it manifested that way. Kirito used the sword skill Vorpal Strike, a skill with relatively high range that he often used in Aincrad. His focus on this skill resulted in the incarnation of the elongated sword (=even more range) and his Aincrad appearance

XSaintsXTroopsX

I see. Thank you for helping me understand that aspect. I will admit I’m afraid to look further into Incarnation as this is where I’m at in the story & spoilers are all too easy to dig up. I’m sure I will learn more about it as it goes on. (Plus I plan on reading everything eventually as well).

However I now understand that I was asking the wrong question, or a narrow one per say. I shall now be looking for a broader sense of these events. As I review episodes and more come out I’m sure I will come to a full understanding.

Much appreciated!

Addendum: (haha) - I was also curious about the Vorpal Strike this time around. It was intense! My last few watch throughs of the first two seasons have been diluted with “The Division 2” gameplay and others. So I’ll have to have to stop using it as background noise during gaming. lol. I plan to rewatch it all consecutively as things stand either way.

yolvenzind

(no spoiler) an example from the books that might not have been explained well in the series are Kirito his blue flowers. Remember the flower garden he had? It were flowers that were supposed to grow only in the south (I think). They literally were unable to grow in the north. Kirito who already suspected the power of incarnation tried growing them in the north (which took him 3 tries or something) simply by believing (incarnation) very hard they would be able to grow there.

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GentlemanOfTheRift

Pretty hard to mix the Incarnation system up once you watched Accel World, which I did. So I pretty much know all about it even before it was introduced in SAO xD

So fair warning to not watch Accel World if you guys don’t want to be spoiled on the entirety of the Incarnation system.

BippityBorp

ooh, never compared the two, now I'm gonna be thinking about that constantly

I always forget Kawahara's work includes Accel World too, the connection is easy to make now, that's cool

TheDementedPalkia

My thoughts on this episode:

  1. Chudelkin's fight didn't last long lol. He got killed surprisingly quick. Kirito's move where he changed into his Aincrad outfit was super cool!

  2. Seeing the gang get shanked by the sword golem like that was brutal. Was not expecting that.

  3. RIP Charlotte. Never before have I felt so sad for an arachnid.

Overall, very good episode. Can't wait to see what happens next! Loving Quinella, she is such a scumbag and that's why I love hating her.

D4RK45S45S1N

She's really well written as a human who's been corrupted by power and then literally deleted their own emotions.

Adlet_maia

Whoa, that is some bloodbath. The sword golem just destroyed them like it was nothing! I am really looking forward to what would happen in the next episode!

Rauster

I think we all can say that. This next week can't go by fast enough.

Ontariel12

It was glorious how Kirito went full Kirito, pity it lasted only a while

gimily

Does Cardinal's speech about how NPC type characters can still develop a heart/love also validate the existance/persistence of Yui? I hadn't really thought about it before but it seems like Kirito wouldn't have been so surprised that an NPC could make thsoe decisions given his experience with Yui.

BleedingUranium

It's the same concept of Yui, but she's still the exception rather than the rule, among top-down AI.

TheExiledLord

even though it wouldn't be wrong to say Yui is a NPC, it's just not how we usually conceive NPCs. Rather, she's an AI, which possesses deep learning that a typical NPC does not possess. So, that justifies why Kirito is surprised. That being said, we don't know if Charlotte is really the exact same as a typical NPC, but maybe more of an AI, since the Underworld isn't like the game worlds.

Quarkzy

I dont often get hyped. But when it's sao. Goddamn it happens.

theguyfromuncle420_

...holy fuck though this is easily one of my favourite anime seasons I’ve ever seen, the music, the emotion. Quinella’s face when Kirito exposed her was hilarious, her refusal to bow down to her creators, shit I love Alicization.

Cardinal coming to the rescue, I normally hate spiders and can’t even look at them, but Charlotte was a good girl, RIP. Things are gonna get spicy in the next two episodes

Alice best girl

Boruto and SAO, I love weekends

dark77638

- Chudelkin was defeated way too fast, wish he's suffer more for what he's done to other.

- Temporarily 'Black Swordsman' and his strongest move, Vorpal Strike

- I thought Eugeo would be more surprise that Kirito know a lot like regain he's already his memory or even think Kirito didnt lost memomry at all.

- Rath's guys looked like they're from Chamber of the elder.

- Sword Golem is super OP, one shot Alice through her 'Eternal Immortal' Fragrant Olive Sword like nothing at all and also one shot Kirito.

- Poor little Charlotte, we'lll remember you. My tear leak too much than it's supposed to be.

- Cardinal arrived, Avenger assemble!

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BleedingUranium

but in the light novel he actually questions if Kirito has known about his origin this whole time - and just what is the “other side”

It's still obvious he's doing that in the anime, even if it's not literally spelled out in text. I mean, that's how acting and visual mediums work, we can tell what characters are thinking by context and expressions. :P

I_Love_Alice

This; as Kirito is talking about "the other side" with Administrator, Eugeo is shown to be looking directly at him with a somewhat surprised/confused expression. What he's thinking is pretty clear.

Thicshigi

He is LN reader. Probably playing it safe since it's anime thread, I guess.

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Thetonystrk

Solike, just waiting on crunchyroll or funimation to update with new

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Can't wait to see chudd get fk'd up. Hated that guy in the books, hate him more animated.

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nanogenesis

I got a fanboy boner when Kirito got his coat from S1 back. Also after watching that scene I felt something.

Kirito, somewhere deep down in his heart perhaps actually misses being in Sword Art Online? Or is that my perspective being the viewer? Is it related to, him being at his strongest when he was in SAO?

seitaer13

It's the exact opposite actually. This is the a culmination of a whole subplot in the LN about (safety spoiler) Kirito despising his reputation as the Black Swordsman. He won't even use the attack he killed the clown with because it's synonymous with Aincrad Kirito.

lionturtl3

Sword Golem is exactly what the people of Kirito's world are looking for.

I liked the subtle look to eugeo after his acknowledgement of where he's really from.

Aetherdraw

As we see here folks, if any of you here still thought Underworld is a game simulation: Kirito and Alice just got stabbed and were quite fatally wounded. They didn't get back up right away, worrying about low health or whatever. Down. They. Went. Until Cardinal arrived at least.

Poor Charlotte though. She may have been an NPC type of character thanks to not having a fluctlight as her soul, but still! Rest in peace, guiding spider.

And we can see the pure difference in experience on Kirito and Alice in comparison to Eugeo. As the Sword Golem is about to attack, he falters, as he's never faced something of this scale before, unlike Alice vs Dark Territory enemies, and of course, Kirito's usual past-time of taking down huge-ass boss monsters in raids for years in SAO alone.

halligan8

Admin had a line that I've been waiting for this whole season. She said to Kirito, (paraphrasing): "Do the people in your world strive to satisfy its creators?" This season establishes that it is possible to have fully-conscious intelligences, based on humans, in a simulation. If that is possible, then how do we know that the "real world" isn't someone else's simulation? I hope the story goes down this rabbit hole some day.

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Problygrant

So, Eugeo and Kirito can use sacred arts without saying "System Call" or did I miss something?

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Problygrant

I feel like there would be something saying that tho, they don't ever mention it.

Thicshigi

The narration in books gives implications that Eugeo was saying the art before discharge so Chudelkin can't hear. Same for Kirito.

diesal3

In the same way that Kirito diverted 28 and 29's attention to Eugeo while he chanted arts to assist with breaking down poisons, Eugeo probably did the same LN (Volume 14) Spoiler

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Crimsonavenger2000

That 10 second Chudelkin fight tho

zxHellboyxz

Well they did say they only have 10 seconds

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RoachIsCrying

Cardinal = Best girl and Kirito's old school coat from SAO is baller

CrimsonKingXIII

Wish the fight with Chudelkin would have lasted a bit longer, at least he gotten taken out though. Seeing the sword golem being powered by the piety module reminds me of how the Dwemer automatons in Elder Scrolls are powered by soul gems, now there needs to be mod for the sword golem to appear in Dwemer dungeons in Skyrim.

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All i can say is i wont be rude against siri next time

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I have to be honest here:

The lethality of this last fight and the pacing of the show don't mix. It was quite literally a two-move victory within three minutes of the show, followed by a lot of talking and then a curbstomp fight. Chudelkin's death should have been very satisfying, but it wasn't, especially since the last episode ended with him summoning that fire golem and said golem looming menacingly over the trio.

I don't like it. I don't know if it's this short in the novel or if that fight was truncated for the anime, but it should've been longer or at least something of a struggle for that moment to be satisfying.

BossOfGames

it was short in the LN as well.

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Thought Eugeo was imagining those scenes but damn, they were real lol F for the Spider 😔😔

TaigaSZN

Episode Thoughts:

Best. Episode. Yet.

  • Kirito's original SAO outfit combined with the original version of Swordland AND Eugeo + Alice fighting Quinella alongside him?!?! The nostalgia alone makes this my favorite episode so far, not to mention the overall greatness of the scene!

  • New Alice has easily become one of my favorite characters! I really hope that she stays in her current state and doesn't change any memories (which is looking increasingly likely).

  • Is it just me, or did anyone else here the piano theme used around 4:56 in this video at some point? I'll have to go back and check, but if they did I'm glad as it's one of my favorite recurring themes in the series. Also, if anyone happens to know the name of said theme, I'd greatly appreciate it if you told me!

  • I'm super happy that the outside world was talked about in this episode. Hopefully it will be more frequently discussed throughout the rest of the show and that we'll also be able to spend more time with the characters out of the Underworld. I still cant wait to see what their next move is and how it impacts Kirito, Eugeo, and Alice!

  • I'm also really enjoying how the themes of virtual worlds tieing in to the real one have become more prominent during this episode. I hope that these themes continue to come about more now that Kirito's had that discussion with Quinell.

  • HOLY SHIT THEY JUST GOT BODDIED! Quinella ain't playing around!

  • RIP Charlotte. You were a good spider for the 2 episodes that you were in before this. (On a related note, I hope that we get to see more of Cardinal from now on and that she becomes a part of the Underworld gang)

Cardinal's Picks:

(The 5 characters that I want Cardinal to save)

1.) Eugeo

2.) Alice

3.) Cardinal

4.) Bercouli or Fanatio

5.) Selka

Final Thoughts: This episode was absolutely FANTASTIC! The nostalgic moments, intense and awesome fights, discussions about the state of the Underworld and its ties to the real world, and the return of Cardinal all made this my favorite episode yet! I've never been as excited for another episode ever! All in all I'm still stunned at how enjoyable and good this episode was! AMAZING!

furosuto81

This week's screenshot stitches. Lots of Alice looking badass, Admin looking sexy, and of course...the Black Swordman.

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Sword Art Online: Alicization - Episode 22 Stitches

lwedpon

Quinella's hair censor is evolving... not sure how they're going to handle the fight scenes.

Clips of it happening in this episode: https://youtu.be/m0ZDZ4hEOR0

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Full titty

TheExiledLord

well, we got a glimpse of what it could look like in the OP.

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TheDementedPalkia

Quinella best girl nudist.

shooki3

This whole season has been short fights, sadly. Won’t be surprised if next week it lasts half the episode sigh.

seitaer13

The whole anime has been like that

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System call Black Swordsman Form activate!

mechakingghidorah

I like how she low key called Kirito a Bastard.

Kugimaru

The heck was the small guy fight, I was hyped as hell last week only to him get killed with one hit, I waited a whole week to finally see a big boss fight only to the boss get hit killed so they could start talking again the whole ep... Will the ep 23 get at least 3~4 minutes of fight? Dialogue is important but...

Thicshigi

Yeah. From now there's very little dialogue and more of fighting but the fight feels "short" because it's from novel and most of there is either narrations or inner monologue, which they don't show. So the fight feels short in adaptation. But yeah there's not much dialogue or talking left. Very little. So there'll be fighting coming up

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Is the Chudelkin fight longer in the LN? Cause that was kind of a let down..

Lylik

Somewhat but not by much. After the trio were ready to fight, Quinella ordered Chudelkin to 1v3 them, he attacked them with ice elements, all of them were easily deflected by Alice's flowers. Quinella noted how Chudelkin was "pathetic" and that caused him to make that request and summon the fire clown... thing. After that it was pretty much as the anime presented. So the fight was longer? Yeah but not by much.

Also, Quinella knew Chudelkin could not win vs Alice, Eugeo and a boy she had no knowledge of how powerful he truly was, she used Chudelkin to gather data, as herself tells them after the fight.

delcanine

No Charlotte's web?

lukemcadams

Hmm 2 more episodes and nothing more about asuna and the real world especially those two creeps we saw last time in the real world

TheOriginalSkyZer0

How did Kirito's Aincrad skill work that brought back his old uniform? could someone explain this?

seitaer13

It's incarnation. Will and imagination given form. Think of when kirito regrows the flowers, their swords growing stronger when they find something to put behind it. Eugeo and Bercouli force levitating their swords.. Even things like Eugeo moving when Quinella removes his Piety module.

The sword skill kirito uses there Vorpal strike does not have the kind of range to hit Chudelkin. He makes it go that far through sheer force of will. He's projecting in his mind the strongest version of himself.

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I messed up so bad. I stated binge watching the season without realizing that it wasn't complete. Now Im at this point and I have to wait weeks to complete the arc like I'm back in the 90s.

TheJeep25

Quinella = Myne = worst girl

Change my mind

furosuto81

Administrator is way, way worse than Myne. Not even in the same league.

Arillow

Myne is literally just a petty little child next to Administrator

leopard_tights

I haven't watched anything of Alicization yet, is this a good time to jump in or is it a fucked up cliffhanger?

I asked the same question the previous cour finale and was told to wait, so here we are.

BossOfGames

LN reader here. I would say it's safe to start in now, but i'm not sure how they're going to play out the next cliffhanger. Without hinting at what's going to happen next, I will just leave it there.

dabillinator

This season will have 2 distinct halves with the first ending in 2 episodes.

Affie24

Is anyone else just waiting for Kirito to duel wield swords?

ReverbCS

Where would I start reading the light novel if I watched episode 22?

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CHARLOTTEEEE 😓😓😓😓😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭

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