Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - Episode 12 (Anime Only)

Envy-cs 17 points · Dec 2019

Can someone explain to me how people are able to connect to the Underworld if they don't have a Soul Translator? I thought that the only way to get into the Underworld was through the Soul Translator because of how different it is from the Amusphere...

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beavermml 42 points · Dec 2019

i think STL is only needed for time dilation to take effect.. that is why the world is reset to 1:1 time ratio since outside players dont have STL.

their internet connection must be very good because they are using satellite with virtually no latency at all. hahahha

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Envy-cs 12 points · Dec 2019

Well the thing about the time dilation is that once all of the American players were connected, they changed it back to 1,000:1. Otherwise it would make more sense.

From my understanding, since the STL takes the Fluctlight and the Amusphere only takes the brain it would be like trying to combine code like Python and C++ and expect it to work. I'll have to rewatch to see what Kikuoka says about the two. I remember him explaining it somewhere in Alicization..

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Siglius 22 points · Dec 2019 · Eugeo

No. You need an STL to be connected while under acceleration. The hacker talks about turning it back up after the human army has been wiped out to give Gabriel more time. If he turned it back up right now the americans would get disconnected.

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dtape467 4 points · Dec 2019

the Underworld was built using the Seed Software package (from the end of the first season).

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Remediesxx 148 points · Dec 2019

So 20, 000 players waited for connection and Sinon kills them as soon as they came. She's as competitive as ever.

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[deleted] 33 points · Dec 2019

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Rieiid 16 points · Dec 2019

It's a feature, not a bug

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FrostArcherX 5 points · Jan 2020

*Beater

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Lepton_Fields 18 points · Dec 2019

Top that Asuna...

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Simusar 21 points · Dec 2019 · Klein

I mean, she split the ground and created a bottomless pit that the forces of the Dark Territory feared to cross, then created a giant wall to separate the IRL players from the Dark Territory forces.

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Lepton_Fields 16 points · Dec 2019

I guess I neglected the sarcasm tag...

The joke is about the kill count: ~30-50 for Asuna, 10,000-20,000 for Sinon...

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[deleted] 4 points · Jan 2020

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Lepton_Fields 8 points · Jan 2020

Nope.

Initially, Asuna explicitly avoided killing the 'Fluctlights'. The first rift (per the LN) was just ahead of the pugilists in order to avoid any of them falling in. The second was necessarily deadly to the small force Vassago was leading because they were too close to Kirito (where she was dropped into the Underworld). The last 'hole' under Vassago was so selective due to the proximity to the Human forces.

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dark77638 99 points · Dec 2019

Final episode of the cour!

Shit load of foreign world invaders
Asuna NSFW viewing angle >…<
Nice moment for Iskahn&Sheyta, im on a Titanic now (Hopefully it wont sink!)
Gabriel bastard steal Alice away with Bercouli on hot pursuit.
SuperAccount 02 Solus the Goddess of Sun, Asada Shino ‘Sinon’ has descended into Underworld with her mighty Ray of Light: Annihilate Ray!!!
Vassago with that SAO reference and both red eyes sparkle at the end definitely hype me up for the final cour of the war.
Now i need to fill 3 month voids with lot of anime rewatch and LN reread!

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[deleted] 47 points · Dec 2019

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Envy-cs 10 points · Dec 2019

Asuna NSFW viewing angle >…<

Respect our waifu.. cmonBruh

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OddAndChunky 19 points · Dec 2019

We have to wait three months now? :(

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BleedingUranium 17 points · Dec 2019 · Argo's Guide

Yeah, it's a one-cour break, the second half will start in April.

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Rieiid 17 points · Dec 2019

2 whole years for one season to air. Rip.

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OddAndChunky 82 points · Dec 2019

Sinon's entrance was dope as hell

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Simusar 27 points · Dec 2019 · Klein

"Play of the Game" - Sinon

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theTimothy_ 163 points · Dec 2019

Kirito is probably waiting for the full harem to arrive... that must be the reason why he still is AFK

Thats my boi ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Rybesh532 4 points · Jan 2020

Meanwhile, I'm sitting there screaming, "Good grief, Carrot-o, get out of the chair and get choppin!"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhIpNHO-OTY

mtmuelle 71 points · Dec 2019

Killed right when they enter - that's some call of duty spawning right there

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GoldRedBlue 9 points · Dec 2019

I SPAWN I DIE

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Envy-cs 5 points · Dec 2019

More like this........

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Theftex 65 points · Dec 2019

Imma need an HD 1080p wallpaper of Sinon in the sky lool

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[deleted] 6 points · Jan 2020

Seriously lmao I screenshotted that clean as hell

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Theftex 5 points · Jan 2020

Tryna share? 😂

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Yhiizy 52 points · Dec 2019

Sinon spawn camping is highlight

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Camochamp 51 points · Dec 2019

So since the Champion of the Pugilists broke the Seal of the Right Eye, could they also take him to the World's End Altar? I kinda think maybe a lot of the events happening are gonna cause a chain of a lot of people breaking the Seal?

Shinon's entrance was epic. Everything about her weapon was so cool, from the design to the attack.

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seitaer13 34 points · Dec 2019 · Strongest Player of 2020

He doesn't break the seal, he just destroys the source of the pain.

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TheJeep25 19 points · Dec 2019

That's even more savage and awesome. Take that administrator!

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Fae_Leaf 10 points · Dec 2019

I still got the impression that he broke it. He was thinking of defying Vector, and the error appeared. Did he not sound like he was intending to defy Vector again later when plotting with Asuna?

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seitaer13 16 points · Dec 2019 · Strongest Player of 2020

The whole reason why he stays behind is that if vector gave him another order he'd be forced to obey it.

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StarForceStelar 18 points · Dec 2019

Iskahn (the champion) didnt break it which is why he couldn't disobey Vector it's more like he cut off his arm so it wont be broken anymore and Sinon truly was epic

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gimily 3 points · Dec 2019

Side note on this topic. Why didn't they try to get Eugeo after he broke his seal? What makes Alice different?

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BleedingUranium 37 points · Dec 2019 · Argo's Guide

Because of time acceleration. In real world terms, Eugeo broke the seal well into the raid on Ocean Turtle, not even five real world minutes before the raid team cut the power.

Also, Rath was mistaken about Alice being what they were looking for. We have to backtrack here a bit: Rath is not even aware the Seal of the Right Eye exists, because it was put into Underworld by a mole (as Asuna deduced) to slow the project down and give the Americans time to get the raid done.

All Rath was able to figure out was that Underworld residents were simply incapable of breaking any rules (exactly what they don't want) but have no idea why. So they decided to take a real world person, someone experienced with VR settings so they won't feel the world is "off", and drop them into Underworld as a kid, have them grow up alongside some UW kids and see if a real world person could influence UW residents to break rules.

So Kirito went in and spent eleven years growing up with Eugeo and Alice, and Rath's plan... sort of worked. But not at that point.

Kirito's innate sense of morality and doing the right thing no matter whether it's against the rules or not (and generally skirting rules and norms for fun) absolutely rubbed off on both Alice and Eugeo, especially Alice. We see the same thing in Kirito's next dive (without blocked memories) happen with Eugeo, Ronie, and Tiese, and some of the Knights (basically everyone Kirito encounters).

This influence is why she felt the need to help the Dark Knight in the first place, but that said Alice only broke the Taboo Index (read: a rule) by accident, because she slipped and fell. Had Rath been able to pull Alice out of UW then and there, they would have been disappointed to learn she was not what they needed.

Much later on, Eugeo became a true A.L.I.C.E. when he intentionally defied the Seal to save Tiese and Ronie, and later Alice also became an A.L.I.C.E. during her chat with Kirito on the outside of he tower. But as noted, both of these took place less than five minutes before the power was cut, so that Alice actually became what they needed was simply good fortune.

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Cptcutter81 6 points · Dec 2019

exactly what they don't want

Why they would want the AI they want to put in all the hellfire-armed drones to have the free will to decide to not follow orders is beyond me, but they seem very dead-set on whichever AI they choose being able to freely disregard rule-sets it's given.

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BleedingUranium 16 points · Dec 2019 · Argo's Guide

Because soldiers who can make moral decisions is exactly what you want. Especially if said soldiers are electronic/tech-based in nature and could, at least theoretically, be hacked or otherwise told to do something against either their own creators/government, or against innocent civilians, or similar.

They don't want to literally put any of the UW residents into weapons. They simply want to use them as a template to study and figure out how/why they work, then use them as a blueprint to make more.

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Cptcutter81 5 points · Dec 2019

Because soldiers who can make moral decisions is exactly what you want.

Soldiers who make moral decisions is exactly what Civillians want.

Not the military.

The last thing military strategy wants to have to account for, but is forced to due to human nature, is soldiers with the ability to tell you to fuck off. When there's no risk of actual material or moralistic loss when a unit dies, giving it the option to morally decide not to put a hellfire on Bin-Laden's compound because there are children next door is something that only creates roadblocks, not solves them. Letting your soldiers say no is something that humans themselves want to be able to do and have to be able to do because it's not something we can control.

Thinking we should or would hard-code a similar thing into robots we choose to build and use specifically to get around having to deal with human soldiers is bizarre.

US nuclear strategy for years had this issue, and even after refining the psyche and age groups they select to man the Minuteman silos for the better part of half a century they still had to hard-build in a system which will override a crew choosing to not launch if other crews in the area do follow orders (Young, preferrably male, low rank. Multiple studies have shown the longer you're in the service, and the higher your rank, the less likely you are to follow through with a fire order precisely because you have moral experience on the concept).

Having your AI follow a strict set of rules in war (say, maybe some rules or a convention that we could have signed in Geneva in 1864 then again in 1949) is the most important factor in a war robot. Giving it free will only allows it to question it's orders and as overplayed as the trope may be, that's literally the number one concern for a rouge strategic-level AI choosing to fuck you up instead of the guy you told it to shoot just because it views you as the worse one in that scenario.

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dabillinator 6 points · Dec 2019

They want it to be able to break orders for several reasons. 1. If the person giving the AI commands betrays them they want the AI to be able to disobey him. 2. The AI needs to be able to break orders if they are given wrong Intel. For example, they are sent to infiltrate a suspected terrorist base and eliminate everyone there. If they go in and find a parent protecting their kids they need to be able to realize it and not kill the family. 3. They need to be able to improvise and make recessions on the fly without supervision. If they are in a situation where they can kill an enemy or capture them to try and get information they need to make the call instead of wasting the chance waiting for orders. Sure there is the potential issue of the AI going rouge, but that's why they tried to instill morals into the AI so they are less likely to go rouge. This is why they were only watching the human territory. Also they could easily just install a kill switch if they were that concerned.

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fluffyrilakkuma 47 points · Dec 2019

Renly: Guess I’ll have to sacrifice myself like Eldrie again—

Sinon: NOPE

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Jazs1994 42 points · Dec 2019

3 months to wait. They hyped up the last few episodes and I can't argue that they delivered. I thought Shinon and Suguha would turn up together, the fact that they haven't I think means the guy at the end who had a different account to use is going to cause some problems and this the 3rd goddess played by Suguha will turn up.

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slim-dog-billy 34 points · Dec 2019

Hold up we gotta wait 3 months now

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Simister135 52 points · Dec 2019

US player review: game trash, spawn killed immediately, not as advertised, please uninstall

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icarminatt 19 points · Dec 2019

Not mentioning the pain of a real death. IDK how painful is to be killed by an explosive hot as the sun arrow is.

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Simusar 6 points · Dec 2019 · Klein

If it's an instant kill, there's likely no pain at all. If you're going to die by an explosion, it is better to be nearer to the center as the death would be instant and no time to register pain.

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RoachIsCrying 56 points · Dec 2019 · Agil

Seriously, they need proper English VA cause that "Engrish" as a lot of people call it sounds awkward as all hell. POH seems to be on his way as well and also my personal favourite has arrived. Again, great episode, the Puglists are my favourite characters in this cour, Ishtan (sorry if I got the name wrong) is fucking bad ass ripping out his eye like that

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BleedingUranium 22 points · Dec 2019 · Argo's Guide

The clever thing to do will be to wait until the dub comes out, then splice in just the actual English parts into the Japanese version.

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All-Your-Base 13 points · Dec 2019

WATCHA NAME?

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NitroZeus225 19 points · Dec 2019 · Asuna

I totally agree that the English voices sound terrible.

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OddAndChunky 7 points · Dec 2019

When's the English dub gonna be for war of the underworld? I've only been watching subbed cuz I have to, and plan on rewatching in English.

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RoachIsCrying 5 points · Dec 2019 · Agil

No idea my guess is probably after the April continuation

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Simusar 3 points · Dec 2019 · Klein

And why do the American soldiers invading the Ocean Turtle speak Japanese outside of the Underworld?

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RoachIsCrying 7 points · Dec 2019 · Agil

"When in Rome" i guess... Well the tattoo face guy says bro and boss a lot in English

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Estova 13 points · Dec 2019

HELL. YES. Sinon came in like a total badass.

"Kept you waiting huh...?"

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Nashetania 13 points · Dec 2019

Why didn’t we see Leafa and the rest of the gang? That would’ve been a nice way to end the first half

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[deleted] 5 points · Dec 2019

Leafa I could understand since she and Sinon are at the same facility, but everyone else is still having to convert their accounts.

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[deleted] 11 points · Dec 2019

Asuna X Sinon

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QueenSafiria 7 points · Dec 2019

Yes pls

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[deleted] 32 points · Dec 2019

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dark77638 22 points · Dec 2019

A man of culture you are! Lol

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Frontier246 11 points · Dec 2019

From the angle I thought it could've been either her panties or a piece of her leggings...

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kpiaum 4 points · Dec 2019

Or, this is just her cape.

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sleepingforcenturies 4 points · Dec 2019

lol i thought its just her thigh gap hahah

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ThatsInterestingAF 9 points · Dec 2019

why does episode 12 have more gore than usual at the beginning lol

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Lepton_Fields 11 points · Dec 2019

It had to meet the expectation that lured the US players into the Underworld - no restriction on the violence or gore in the 'game'. It also setup Asuna stumbling and vulnerable to attack (SAO never had unsure footing for the Flash).

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[deleted] 17 points · Dec 2019

PLEASE TELL ME THAT WASNT THE MID SEASON FINALE!

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HypercoreVortx 32 points · Dec 2019

ok then I won't tell you

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[deleted] 13 points · Dec 2019

Joy. See you guys in three months.

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CrimsonKingXIII 7 points · Dec 2019 · Chrome Disaster

Sinon's entrance was amazing, the American players didn't stand a chance. Really looking forward to see more of Sinon's fighting and to see what Leafa's account will be able to do, looking forward to April.

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fluffyrilakkuma 8 points · Dec 2019

Those chain explosions sick af tho

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[deleted] 7 points · Dec 2019

Oh boy. That's all I can say. Now begins the 3 month wait.

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livershi 5 points · Dec 2019 · Eugeo

MAN it's gonna be a long 3 months. Quick question if next season is the last season they probably won't be able to finish unital ring then right? Are we just never going to get anime for it?

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Nixis198 8 points · Dec 2019 · Kirito

Somewhere I read that Aniplex would animate the whole story line of SAO. So their should be an anime of Unital Ring. Even if I am flat out wrong about Aniplex saying that. I can't see why they wouldn't make Unital Ring. More money for them. Now we don't know if Unital Ring is going to be the last arc or not. So SAO could end with Unital Ring.

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TLSCalamity 5 points · Dec 2019

Shino-non!!!!!

I cant wait 3 months :(

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streak732 5 points · Dec 2019

I’m confused, Was the ending with Vassago hinting that he was going to use his Death Gun Avatar?

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[deleted] 11 points · Dec 2019

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BleedingUranium 10 points · Dec 2019 · Argo's Guide

Death Gun was XaXa, Johnny Black, and XaXa's brother.

We saw both XaXa and Johnny Black back in the Murder Case episodes in Aincrad, alongside PoH, the founder and leader of Laughing Coffin. XaXa was dealt with in Phantom Bullet, Johnny Black was dealt with at the beginning of Alicization, and PoH is Vassago, if people hadn't put that together already.

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seitaer13 3 points · Dec 2019 · Strongest Player of 2020

All members of the Death Gun incident are in jail.

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masteroftasks 3 points · Dec 2019

Sinon's entrance was glorious. Good to have best girl back.

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Banana_B0i 5 points · Dec 2019

Are we gonna talk about how all these players are suffering the pain of being beheaded/cleaved in 2, etc.

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kpiaum 8 points · Dec 2019

It has to be said: Alice was kidnapped in the dumbest way there is.

Absolutely no effort from the black emperor or any resistance from Alice. The black emperor simply flew by and caught her.

Edit: If they already had this break in their plans, they could have done this ep differently, not just this cliffhenger with the appearance of a new character quickly. They could have followed the example of how Attack on Titan did when it separated season 3.

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seitaer13 8 points · Dec 2019 · Strongest Player of 2020

He used both his incarnation and his avatars ability to knock her out. Before that she was going to use her memory release. Did you miss the massive black haze that went over her?

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[deleted] 3 points · Dec 2019

That episode was amazing can’t wait for the last cour!!!!

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NitroZeus225 3 points · Dec 2019 · Asuna

Until april there will be no more episodes next Saturday and therefore.

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[deleted] 3 points · Dec 2019

Does anyone know where to start reading the light novel at right now?

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ltgenspartan 3 points · Dec 2019 · Yuuki

Awesome episode yet again. Too bad we won't see more again til the spring, cause seeing Sinon annihilate that second wave was cool. Also thought Suguha would've joined her at the same time?

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